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[-] Haven5341@feddit.de 100 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The headline is not wrong but somewhat misleading. Yesterday there where more than 300,000 people protesting against the Nazi party (AfD) and yesterday wasn't even the first or the last day of protests.

People are realizing that we are not talking about an ultra-conservative party but about an anti-democratic and racist party that wants to deport millions of people - many of them Germans - from Germany. That is exactly the plan Hitler had and that led to the Holocaust.

Edit:

Those people lost their minds.

The AfD parliamentary group leader for Saxony-Anhalt, Ulrich Siegmund, is also in the room. It is he who will, later on in the day’s proceedings, appeal for donations. He has considerable influence within the AfD; the party is currently polling in first place in Saxony-Anhalt. His sales pitch, very much in keeping with the “masterplan” of Sellner, details his ideas to change the image of German streets. Foreign restaurants would be put under pressure. Living in Saxony-Anhalt should be made “as unattractive as possible for this clientele.” And that could be accomplished very, very easily, he claims. His comments could have consequences for the region’s upcoming elections.

https://correctiv.org/en/top-stories/2024/01/15/secret-plan-against-germany/

No more indian / chinese / greek / italian / thai ... restaurants. Only schnitzel and pork roast.

[-] Random_German_Name@feddit.de 24 points 9 months ago

No more indian / chinese / greek / italian / thai … restaurants. Only schnitzel and pork roast.

Thats insane

[-] Black616Angel@feddit.de 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Good time to become vegan. They can't be against that!

/s

[-] Haven5341@feddit.de 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Good time to become vegan. They can’t be against that!

Of course they can. The following is a AfD request (source: German parliament, auto-translated by DeepL)

AfD demands warning against vegan diet

The AfD parliamentary group is calling for warnings about vegan diets. The Federal Center for Health Education (BZgA) should "explicitly and emphatically warn of the dangers of a vegan diet without the additional intake of supplements, especially for risk groups", according to a motion (20/9798). The warnings would have to be visible digitally on the website of the Federal Agency. Furthermore, the warnings should be included in corresponding printed materials, including a list of possible symptoms of malnutrition.

(...)

https://www.bundestag.de/presse/hib/kurzmeldungen-984214

They are simply against everything. That's the way they operate. Their party platform states that they want to remove all subsidies for farmers. At the same time they are protesting that a very small part of those subsidies is being removed. They try sow chaos, hatred and division. An AfD politician even said: "The worse Germany is doing, the better it is for the AfD"

[-] Black616Angel@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago

Woosh much? (Sorry, but I knew all that already)

[-] letmesleep@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Thats insane

Is it? The German economy soared when all our food was traditional German and so was the entertainment. So obviously people opted comparatively fun activities like overtime in a steel mill.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 64 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

With all the excitement about the current protests we must not forget, that the current and former governments and all parties currently in the parliament were and are responsible for creating the growth of the AfD and fascist ideology in Germany.

We currently see many politicians applauding the protests. But applauding is not getting us anywhere. We need to demand action.

  • The first step needs to be formaly initiating the banning case at the constitutional court. But we must not stop there. We see many cases of police, military, intelligence and state prosecutors being infiltrated by fascists. (see below)
  • We need urgent action to investigate and remove such structures and people from the executive, as otherwise they can just grab power by force.
  • We need the prohibition of associations and structures of the AfD, the fascist parts of the CDU and other actors from the fascist movement, that do not fall under the protection of political parties.
  • We need investigations into the CDU as a suspect case of extremism
  • We need to roll back on the social and financial politics that continued to impoverish the poor and middle class, while granting more and more tax money to the rich and affluent
  • Chancellor Scholz needs to speak a word of power and get the FDP in line, who kept and keep blocking progressive politics, violate agreements between government parties last minute to stop the government from acting and enfore austerity against the normal people while granting record tax breaks and subsidies to the rich.
  • The new deportation law that was passed just last thursday, including many violations of fundamental rights like protection of housing, privacy, right to due process and freedom, needs to be revoked immediately. It is a wrong step and fatal signal towards the deportation plans of the fascists.
  • All democratic parties must reinforce their commitment angainst fascists. In particular they need to make internal resolutions that prohibit the cooperation and coordination with the AfD or other actors from the fascist spectrum. People who violate these resolutions must be kicked out of the parties immediately.
  • All files from the NSU case must be published. The secrecy order that initialed was set to 120 years and then set to 30 years has the clear intent to protect the interior intelligence and people who aided the terrorist group from exposure and prosecution.

For non Germans, a few things of what is going on in Germanies executive:

There has been a series of Nazi terror attacks in Berlin, where prosecutors and investigators were found to have "private" meetings with the suspects. Even an attempted murder at a politician remains unresolved despite the suspects being well known to everyone.
There is a group of police officers from Frankfurt who used their access to police information to threaten lawyers, comedians, activits and politician who spoke out against nazi structures and terror. The police officers are still suspended with pay, despite their being a whatsapp group uncovered in which they shared fascists memes, talked about rapeing the corpses of female crime victims, congratulated each other on Hitlers birthday and other heinous shit. They named themselves NSU 2.0 after a Nazi Terror organization that muredered more than a dozen people in Germany between 2000 and 2011 and was likely protected by the interior intelligence.
In the City of Dessau there is a police office, where in 2006 a black man was murdered by pouring gasoline on him and setting him on fire in his cell. To this day the case remained unpunished and the officers present in the timeframe just received a fine of about 10.000€. the head of that police office in 2016 helped to hide the body of an asian student that was brutally raped and murdered by his stepson, who is also the son of another police officer from that office. As a "punishment" he was sent to teach at a police school, and even that was overruled later.
Special police and military units have repeated stolen ammunition and weapons and gave them to nezi terrorists, who prepared for a violent insurrection, including having death lists of politicians and civil society actors they would murder.
After much media attention and great propaganda around it, a woman was convicted for alledgely being head of a leftist terror group that had beaten up fascists in saxony. The conviction was weak, and is mainly based on the single testimony of a former member of that group. Now a member of the AfD, who regularly had access to sensitive information from the case, probably through the prosecutors office, boasted that thanks to him that testimony came to be. He boasted himself with having had the witness beaten up by nazi hooligans in Poland, where the witness had moved. This court case needs to be reopened and the prosecutor needs to be investigated for probably coordinating with a violent criminal to threaten the witness into a potentially fabricated testimony.

[-] fossphi@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Good grief, does the general public not know about all this heinous stuff, or is it the classic apathy present everywhere?

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago

The last two AfD supporters with whom I spoke didn't seem to be aware of all this (granted, I wasn't, excellent post there). They also prefer to believe that not all of AfD is that bad and focus on the people who they like.

If you're asking about non-AfD supporters ... just note that roughly half of Germany votes CDU or AfD. Many actually like the rightwing extremists for one "reason" or another. Because, not despite.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago

A lot of these topics are not tackled by the media, or there is only one uproar and then it is over. Consistently reporting on issues, holding politicians accountable to promises and reporting again if they fail to deliver arent done for these kind of issues.

But unfortunately it is also met with apathy in large parts of the population.

[-] anmassen@feddit.de 57 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

With all the current negative articles about the political and economic situation in Germany, I think it's also important to remember to share the positive ones. Although that's not to say there aren't worrisome things going on here.

There's another article from this morning here, it might give you a more complete picture of what's happening: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/21/germany-afd-party-deportation-masterplan-protests

There are more protests happening across the country today, the one in Berlin is at 4 pm at Brandenburger Tor. See you there.

[-] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 9 months ago

There are protests all over Germany, Friday, Saturday and today. Everywhere.

See you there! We'll need the spirit. (And it will be fun with bands playing)

[-] horse@feddit.de 57 points 9 months ago

No idea where they got the 100,000 figure. There were several cities that had significantly more than that on their own. Munich had ~200,000 and Berlin had ~350,000 just to name two. Several cities were well into the tens of thousands too. The real number is more likely closer to a million people protesting throughout Germany this weekend. Additionally there were also protests during the week with tens of thousands of people joining.

[-] Sodis@feddit.de 14 points 9 months ago

It's mostly the difference between police reported numbers and the ones from organizers. For Hamburg the police number is 50k, while the organizers said 160k for example. That's why they wrote "more than 100k" everywhere. But I agree, that it's really lowballing the extent of the demonstrations.

[-] Sidyctism@feddit.de 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Still, even if we take just police numbers, Then bremen (45k) and hamburg (50k, massive lowball) already reach pretty much 100k. if you take into account all the other 20k+ demonstrations happening, and the other really big ones like berlin and munich, this isnt just a conservative estimate, its outright dishonest

[-] berber@lemmy.chaos.berlin 3 points 9 months ago

and munich 100k was already the police estimate afaik

[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's almost literally a reenactment by the AFD of what happened around the 1930s. It's so fucked up.

But this is 2024 , so people should be more aware, and are protesting massively. Unfortunately, the resurgence of (forms of) fascism is a worldwide trend, and not an isolated phenomena.

Add: many people seem to be calling Fascistist "Nazis" nowadays. That's so confusing to me, as if they don't know that Nazism is a particular form of Fascism. While Fascism in all its varieties and guises should be the true denominator for trouble, and is the enemy of democracy.

[-] ed_cock@feddit.de 19 points 9 months ago

Add: many people seem to be calling Fascistist “Nazis” nowadays. That’s so confusing to me, as if they don’t know that Nazism is a particular form of Fascism. While Fascism in all its varieties and guises should be the true denominator for trouble, and is the enemy of democracy.

The AfD has been taken over by literal Neo-Nazis that see themselves in the tradition of the NSDAP though, calling them that is correct.

[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The AfD has been taken over by literal Neo-Nazis that see themselves in the tradition of the NSDAP though, calling them that is correct.

For sure, they have been taken over by Neo Nazis.

But they aren't the only ones being called Nazis nowadays. For example, the other day someone called Nentanyahu ( Israel) a "Nazi" .

That's just confusing, considering what happened in WW2. If they'd brand him Fascist, it would be more correct .

[-] ridago@programming.dev 5 points 9 months ago

Calling Netanyahu a Nazi is mostly about pointing out the hypocrisy so it makes sense

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's about the extreme violent racism of the Fascism in Israel.

At least in Europe, none of the variants of Fascism other than Nazisim ever engaged in the kind of widespread massacre of civilians from another etnic group whilst talking about them as untermenschen that you see being done in Israel (which before all this was already deeply racist about Palestinians and Arabs in general, but now went full-on Genocidal).

Whilst Netanyahu and his government haven't gotten quite to the level of the original Nazis yet, they use similar propaganda techniques, display extreme racism towards Palestinians (calling them "human animals", saying that "Palestinians are violent" - not Hamas, Palestinians - frequently claiming to want to expel or eliminate them and even suggesting nuking Gaza) and have already exceeded all other variants of Fascism in their violence in general and certainly in violence very specifically against civilians of another etnic group.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Saying Nazi instead of fascist is a distinction without a difference. All Nazis are fascist, but not all fascists are Nazis. Most people don't even know fascism originated in Italy or got the name from the fasces Roman lictors carried while escorting senators and dictators. I think it's ok if people are only able to recognize fascism as Nazism, because it all gets to the same idea, they are bad organizations that want to rule you and take away rights.

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Meanwhile, the AfD is trying to cast doubt on the number of people protesting with targeted disinformation via social media. Pathetic.

[-] DerTobi_NerdsWire_de@feddit.de 24 points 9 months ago

And also, it's just not that they only want deportation, they also wanna lower minimum wage - less rights for workers and so on. Nobody with a brain should vote them or simmilar party's in europe

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago

Well, the greedy business owners definitely want lower minimum wage.

[-] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 9 months ago

The article creates the impression, this is about the AfD, a far-right party that is gaining seats in parliaments nation-wide, but it's not. The recent 'scandal' is actually about non-AfD politicians conspiring with far-right movements.

Yes, it's a loud and colorful movement against neo-fascism, but this is also clear statement to the ruling parties not to give in to pressure from the right. And it's definitely against people who are moderate on the surface and brown behind the scenes.

This is about the majority to unite and stands against the Nazis. This is about us. You don't change a Nazi by shouting at their house. you change a bystander by encouraging them to join the march.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 27 points 9 months ago

AfD members were part of the secret meeting and other members previously voiced similar plans, or even going as far as to wanting to shoot or gas immigrants.

[-] graveyardchickenhunt@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

It's not just about the afd, but also about them and the need to destroy them.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 7 points 9 months ago

They are currently and consistently strong in the polls for the federal elections, where they come in second at 25% and in many state elections that are going to happen this year they are by far the strongest in the polls.

Also together with the EU parliament elections there will be muncipal elections in many states, where also the AfD could get a "landslide" and be strong enough to dominate budget and planning decisions. They are already cooperationg with the former conservative, now right populist and in somer areas far right CDU, whose members also participated in the deportation plan meeting, on a local level. They made decisions like cutting funding to organizations that help victims of racist violence, cutting funding for theatres and cultural groups that were welcoming to refugees and limiting the ressources for sheltering refugees.

[-] blazera@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Protests were also held in cities including Braunschweig, Erfurt and Kassel and many smaller towns, mirroring mobilisation every day over the past week.

The protests began after it emerged AfD party members had attended meetings with neo-Nazis and other extremists to discuss the mass deportation of migrants, asylum seekers and German citizens of foreign origin deemed to have failed to integrate.

The anti-immigration party confirmed the presence of its members at the meeting, but has denied taking on the “remigration” project championed by Sellner.

Leading politicians including Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who joined a demonstration last weekend, said any plan to expel immigrants or citizens alike amounted to “an attack against our democracy, and in turn, on all of us”.

Friedrich Merz, the leader of the opposition conservative CDU party, wrote online that it was “very encouraging that thousands of people are demonstrating peacefully against rightwing extremism”.

Formed in 2013 as an anti-establishment, anti-euro force by academics and economists, the AfD has quickly morphed into an anti-immigrant party, ditching its original founders.


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[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Ah yes, protests! Famously capable of stopping evil people in their tracks. That's why ww2 is a fictional tale!

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 13 points 9 months ago

Good job, you burned that strawman to the ground  e a s i l y.

Seriously though, no one believes this would solve everything. And it can still be one thing worth doing for other, smaller reasons.

But since you still have a very obvious point, why don't you skip to the interesting part; how to do better? What's your approach?

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Nothing I could possibly say could alter the course of moronic humanity. You cannot even accept an obvious statement of fact without dejection and snark.

Humanity is too stupid to change its fate, and I am not above saying I told you so; at least I recognize saying it changes nothing just like protests change nothing.

[-] Sodis@feddit.de 5 points 9 months ago

Ah yes, the right way to fight fascism is to complain, that the world is shit and do nothing about it. That's the spirit.

There are a lot of people, that fight against fascism daily, who are active in their communities and strive for a better world. The hopes of these people got crushed by the constant negative press and the climb of the right wing in election surveys. Now they see, that they have indeed a backing in the general population. Furthermore it was a huge AfD talking point, that they speak for the silent majority, which is why they attack the protests now by calling them fake or that the protestors were paid by the government.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I understand the idea of galvanizing. Maybe you should grow a brain and realize I want what comes AFTER the galvanizing, not calling to go back to The Before Times™. I want people MORE pissed off and ready to actually DO something.

[-] KeyserSoze 5 points 9 months ago

It doesn't stop evil people, but before these protests I thought this country was slowly drifting into the far right, like so many other European countries. Now I know that a million people are willing to go on he streets. Hell, even in my right wing city in Saxony ten thousand people went to the protests, this time not because of an anti fascist concert like last time.

Yes, I do think this can fight against fascists. We can start talking about what to do against them and why people feel the need to vote for the AfD and their likes, collectively.

Or we can just stay miserable like you

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

Thank you. I had this in mind as a reason, or maybe more as a hope.

before these protests I thought this country was slowly drifting into the far right, like so many other European countries. Now I know that a million people are willing to go on he streets. Hell, even in my right wing city in Saxony ten thousand people went to the protests

This is uplifting news! Thanks for sharing.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Ahh yes, that concert sure slowed them down.

They already know they're a minority. Why are you assuming you are not a majority against them?

Everyone has such fucking pathetic responses to people who LITERALLY WANT TO KILL YOU if you're not "normal". You should already know those troglodytes are a minority.

[-] KeyserSoze 2 points 9 months ago

It's not the troglodytes, it's not Sellner and Höcke and all the other nazis that are the problem. It's these idiots who literally, LITERALLY, I've spoken to colleagues like that here in Chemnitz TODAY, think that these guys are overly demonized, that not everything the AfD is all right but maybe you can take some campaign points of them because they aren't so unreasonable, that LITERALLY segway the conversation about the protests into how you can't even call it Zigeuner Schnitzel anymore and that those protesters would have been fuming if they saw the menu of restaurant they were on that weekend. I guarantee you, they don't know what these people were protesting against, but are so angry at the government that they ignore anything that would suggest that they are wrong and give in to their bigotry

I just want to know that there are more people that would go on the streets against the fascists than those blind sheep.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The complacency of the ignorant is part of the exact problem I'm pointing at.

Why do you think so many are lazy about activism? Is it because they think protests are actual work? Complacency after making vapid statements that don't actually even slow down the bad people is also bad.

Normies are lazy because they think this virtue signaling shit is more effective than it is.

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