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submitted 1 year ago by dessalines@lemmy.ml to c/meta@lemmy.ml

It should come as no surprise that the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta. Their transparent and opportunistic scheme to commodify the fediverse and it's users will not be allowed to proceed.

We strongly encourage other instance administrators to do the same, given the grave threat they pose to the fediverse.

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[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Prophylactic intervention is the best defense against Metastasis.

Well done Lemmy.ml - hopefully the rest of the fediverse follows your example. This is, no exaggeration, an existential threat to the fed.

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[-] 0x2d@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago
[-] TiredNerdDad@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Whenever I see Zuck I think of this song "Is Mark Zuckerberg a Ghost" by Nap Eyes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq2YhOY55zU

Also, this is the right move. Facebook/Meta only wants to harvest our data and profit off it.

[-] DAC_Protogen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I would say we need a vote if lemmy.world should do the same. I would be for blocking meta.

[-] 0XiDE@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Well, why don't we have a Lemmy feature where the individual user can block content and users from an instance? Rather than defederating completely?

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[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

So you need to put threads.net on you defederation list?

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

That's already done.

[-] marito@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Hi guys, I'm new here from Reddit and I'm still learning about Lemmy and the Fediverse. Can someone ELI5 how not blocking Threads can negatively affect this community? Thanks.

[-] 0uterzenith@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the gist: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

Basically, big companies can destroy decentralised network from within once big enough people adopt it.

What they do is

  1. Embrace - adopt the network with their own proprietary system, like Threads for example, as opposed to other system in the fediverse right now that are open source.

  2. Extend - spend resources like money, manpower, and even extensive knowledge on how to expand and make the network a better place with a lot more features while simultaneously promoting and making so that only their proprietary app can access it in the best way.

  3. Exterminate / Extinguish - once they have good amount of users, they can start crippling the other side, like maybe Threads can see posts from Lemmy and Mastodon but not the other way around, people are gonna think that Threads is superior and leaving the original instances. They can also pull back resources like even the people who used to work on developing the network that they used to give so generously before, and such the maintainer now has no way to keep up in developing the network.

Also known as the EEE tactic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

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[-] QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Amen! I made a longer post explaining my reasoning for blocking Threads and the decision took only 15 minutes.

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[-] jocanib@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Completely support .ml defederating. But most Twitter/Reddit exiles want/need a bigger network for the breadth and depth of content they got from those sites. Universal defederation does nothing but hand those users (and their data) to Meta.

I want to get Meta's data without giving them my data. If there are no instances that allow me to do that, I will cry.

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[-] nanometer@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Nicely done!

[-] samideano@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to preemptively block threats / Meta

The only sane approach to this "dilemma". Thank you for keeping the instance free of "threats" (I see what you did there)

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[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

...the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta.

When the typo is more accurate than what was intended to be written.

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[-] Lermatroid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Gonna go against the grain here a little bit, but why? If they are federated, it will mean that you can move off of threads more easily to other servers and not get locked into a walled garden. Encouraging companies to embrace federation will avoid the shit shows like we've seen at twitter and reddit, since users will be easily able to jump ship without much loss. Additionally, apps like threads make federated platforms much more approachable to newcomers and those who do not even know what the fediverse is.

I'd love someone to explain it to me, but this feels like a massive footgun.

[-] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I agree with you. I think this is a way to introduce people who aren’t tech-savvy into Activity Pub and Fediverse, which is ultimately a good thing.

Yes, Meta has a history of being untrustworthy, but I think a place that allows communication between a large population isn’t a bad thing either.

I would rather wait and see when Threads is full federated and what that means. We just don’t have enough information to make a decision.

I would rather 70 million people have joined Mastodon but that’s just not how things work and we need to be realistic.

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[-] Tiritibambix@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, thank you, I was anxiously looking forward to this.

[-] scala@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Is it possible for meta/threads not to read lemmy.ml posts as well?

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Meta could fetch posts, but only read them. Meta won't be able to follow our communities or interact with us.

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