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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/1232260

Rentals in NSW, Victoria, Tasmania and ACT dropped below 18C more than 80% of the time, report finds

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[-] ji88aja88a@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We don't have to have double glazed windows in Australia. The energy rating is often sold as 5 star! But, the scale is out of 10 🙄.

We're a dumb country when it comes to building houses. I'm not an architect, or an engineer, but, out summers reach 40°C+ in summer, yet our modern houses have dark grey roof's made of colorbond steel. Too hot outside, let me crank my air con...there goes that 5 star rating of my barely energy efficient home

[-] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 9 points 1 year ago

The star system for housing here is somewhat lacking. Input from vested interests from within industry has made it less than ideal from the consumer point of view. Although its not utterly useless like food star ratings.

We really should be looking to certified passive houses as the aspirational standard.

[-] nick@forum.fail 8 points 1 year ago

When I built 10 years ago 7 star was the standard they had to build to. This may vary with location, I'm in Perth.

My house will typically drop to 18-19 overnight in winter, but on really cold nights might get as low as 16.

[-] cntzr0@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

I work for a global company headquartered in Europe, and we regularly have visitors from the mothership come to Sydney. Every year, without fail, they will all regularly comment on how they've never been so cold indoors. They also come from countries where it snows regularly.

[-] minkshaman@lemmy.perthchat.org 13 points 1 year ago

Yup. We’re living with the mistakes of the past and no one wants to fix it for the future.

Fucking moronic people who looked at the Queenslander and thought, “that’s PERFECT for a giant paddock of a Territory that regularly drops below freezing!”

And then 80 years of builders followed suit, but each iteration they stripped more of the charm out.

[-] deadcat@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago

I'm not exactly shocked. Even here in Brisbane it can be freezing in winter. Australian housing is rubbish.

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 12 points 1 year ago

If you are poor and live in a shit house, get one of those wearable blanket things (preferably a thicker, more expensive one) and some ugg boots (again, the best quality you can afford). You won't need heating with this combination.

[-] Gabbro@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I have the OG Oodie, but there's some cheaper versions around.

A hot water bottle is also essential. Buy another for pre-heating the bed at night.

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

I have an OG one too - wearing it right now, in fact! You can get them very cheap now at Kmart and the like but they definitely feel a lot thinner than the original. They're not always as long, either.

[-] Nfntordr@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Doesn't help when people can't afford to turn their heaters on either

[-] zen_symian@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

could the issue be that homes are built with lighter materials?

I'm from Europe, and we get really cold winters. My apartment never drops below 17°C even without heating on. Even individual homes, I know are insulated so it never is too cold.

[-] Marsupial@quokk.au 10 points 1 year ago

Oh I feel that in my bones. 10 minutes after turning off a heater the heats already escaping my over priced rental from the 70s.

[-] TrontheTechie@infosec.pub 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If I could afford to, my house would be colder than 18 C or 64.5 F. I have my thermostat set at 68 and is still hot AF in my bedroom and living room.

Edit: I live in a place where the absolute lowest the temperature gets is 18-25 C, I used to live where the lowest it got was -51 C. Not everyone is acclimatized to that kind of cold, but I like it, especially when I’m sleeping.

Edit 2: my most controversial comment is expressing my opinion to a bunch of freezing Aussies that I prefer to be cold. Make sure you waste more of your effort downvoting me, and less effort figuring out how to use space heaters, put plastic up on the outside and inside of your windows, and hang up blankets to keep warmth in your critical areas. Y’all wouldn’t have survived a Minnesota winter. Just be grateful they didn’t sentence your ancestors to exile in Canada I guess 🤷‍♂️

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Isn't it winter in Australia right now? In the winter I do keep the thermostat at 65 and it drops to 55 at night...

[-] TrontheTechie@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago

I’m not Australian, but yes, winter in June July August, summer for Christmas.

[-] RustyRaven@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Then you would be warmer than most homes here. On average the homes they studied were over 18 degrees (64.4 F) for less than 5 hours a day (or closer to 2 hours in Tasmania) and dropped down to minimums of 7.4 (45 F).

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Internal at 45F? That's too cold even for me to be comfortable inside... And I rarely ever utter the words, "it's too cold".

[-] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Several places get pretty cold. I wouldn't say it's a European cold, but most people here assume it'll be a decent temperature so when it drops you really notice it

[-] coaxil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Hey I'm Aussie and with you, I like what we call cold in Brisbane, middle of winter and I only wear shorts and t shirt, everyone else here is rugged up like it's the Arctic, I would be happy if my place sat at 18 all day!

[-] TrontheTechie@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago

There’s literally MULTIPLE of us! /s

Thanks for chiming in, I was beginning to think I was just a yeti in disguise or something 🥸

[-] RealVenom@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah old houses suck. I did full underfloor insulation of my place which is raised floorboards. Feels like no difference.

Also doesn't help that it's a weatherboard house, even a single brick veneer would probably make a world of difference.

[-] Nihilore@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I’ll get home from work and it’ll be colder inside than it is outside, but it’s like that in both summer and winter so, good with the bad

[-] AnonymousLlama@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Need to fill up all the cracks and block off all of gaps, not letting my expensive hot air escape my place! 🌡️

[-] No1@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some possibilities for windows. The windows in my place are wafer thin, and I suspect one of the main ways weather is getting in and out.

Now, I've just done an experiment with bubble wrap. I had 2 rooms basically facing the same way that got morning sun from about 7am to noon, and measured temperature differences between them.

It does help with reducing temperature movement. That's on the way up as well as on the way down. From 10am to 5pm it's colder in the insulated room as it doesn't heat up as fast. Then from 6pm to 10am the insulated room is warmer, as it doesn't cool down as fast. The difference wasn't huge; only about 1C max.

This was without any active heating/cooling. I suspect insulating would be a much better advantage if you were pumping warm/cool air into the room and maintaining it.

External temperature ranges over a 3 day period were from a 17.8C max to a 5C min. Wider/faster temperature fluctuations would also see a benefit to insulation. The biggest difference (advantage bubble wrap!) was on the coldest day when external temperatures were always below the internal temperatures. It stayed warmer than the non insulated room.

I'll give it a go in summer to see what will happen as well....

[-] AnonTwo@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Just wondering, but is there a maximum temperature standard?

[-] blackrox1411@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

From quick research the answer seems to vary depending on region but over 32 is considered hazardous to health for prolonged periods, for healthy adults

[-] zurohki@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

IIRC it depends a lot on humidity. If humidity is low, you can be fairly comfortable at higher temperatures with just a fan on.

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