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[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 155 points 8 months ago

I guess Israel were too busy genociding Palestinians to make it to the meeting.

[-] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 72 points 8 months ago

Maybe Hamas shouldn’t start shit.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 109 points 8 months ago

except the israelis were the ones starting shit 7 decades ago

hamas is just a convenient excuse for genocide

[-] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

Points to the October attack on Israel.

Total war on Gaza looks pretty damn justified to me.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 42 points 8 months ago

Ah yes. History began on October 7th. There is no context to anything involving anything prior to October 7th 2023.

Although even looking at just October 7th and what has happened since... kind of elucidates what the fuck has been going on.

Hell even 7 decades ago Einstein was looking at what was just starting and went "Well this is some Nazi shit."

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[-] Nythos@sh.itjust.works 34 points 8 months ago

200 dead from a terrorist attack committed by terrorists justifies 20,000 civilian deaths by carpet bombing and levelling entire communities?

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[-] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

Total war is not just an abstract political move, it's an immense suffering and deaths of dozens of thousands of civilians.

It's easy to play political mastermind from the safety and comfort of your home. People who witnessed war know full well what it entails, and they know it's not just numbers and maps and politics.

It's blood. It's broken families. It's famine. It's the destruction of everything they valued. It's PTSD for just about everyone who managed to survive.

Think twice before saying things like that. Please.

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[-] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 33 points 8 months ago
[-] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Sucks to be on the wrong side of history. No one wants to loose their communities, property or livelihoods. However the Jews had a claim to the area going back thousands of years and they needed to go somewhere.

There were many Jewish communities across the Middle East prior to the 1940s that no longer exist anymore either. I wonder who pushed them out… do they get the same sentiment from your bleeding heart?

There have been two state solutions on the table with Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital on the table multiple times. Palestinians turned every one of them down. Instead of building their own state they will be further pushed out of Gaza. Where they go is anyones guess no one wants them, especially other Muslim states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

[-] hark@lemmy.world 50 points 8 months ago

That's funny that you think you're on the right side of history for supporting a genocidal ethnostate.

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[-] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Who the fuck cares about a claim from thousands of years ago? Can you even count how many Greats you would have to add to even reach your goat herder of a grandpa back when Jesus was still around?

This is just trying to revive a dead dream and we all get to suffer for it.

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[-] SkippingRelax@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

Yeah i think a couple of Neanderthals descendants have claims that go back tens of thousands of years. do they get the same sentiment from your bleeding hearth?

Also my cousin has Etruscan blood, should he kick Italians out of Italy as he has a claim that goes back TWO thousands years and he's got nowhere to go since his wife kicked him out?

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[-] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

The story doesn't start on oct 7th.

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[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

Maybe Israel shouldn't fund Hamas over secular orgs to manufacture the pretext for the genocide they're now committing in order to create an ethnostate.

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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 109 points 8 months ago

Bro I'll be real with you north Korea got fucking obliterated to the extent that they were living underground because every single building has been bombed to rubble. North Korea was definitely the victim of imperialist interference. No person in that country deserved that level of devastation.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 79 points 8 months ago

A total of 635,000 tons of bombs, including 32,557 tons of napalm, were dropped on Korea. By comparison, the U.S. dropped 1.6 million tons in the European theater and 500,000 tons in the Pacific theater during all of World War II (including 160,000 on Japan).

...yea.

[-] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 40 points 8 months ago

Also consider the fact that north Korea is roughly the size of Maine and Japan is roughly the size of the east coast.

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[-] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 71 points 8 months ago

Israel is missing from the picture

[-] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 8 months ago

Israel didn't start the war.

[-] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 50 points 8 months ago

People like you always seem to wanna start the story at October 7th while ignoring any relevant history before it. In case you don't know, israel and the zionist project took over Palestinian land and as a result almost a million Palestinians fleed palestine. Amongst many others who were killed. What I find interesting is that zionists in their correspondance with the British at the time is that they weren't pressed about getting palestine to be their homeland, they were okay in finding somewhere else. One of the other possibilities was Uganda for example.

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[-] febra@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Yes it did when it started the settler colonial project and ethnic cleansing campaign in 1948 and all the subsequent oppression.

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[-] KermitLeFrog@lemmy.world 46 points 8 months ago

The lack of imperial Japan in this image is disturbing

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 25 points 8 months ago

At least imperial japan no longer exists. Anyone flying the flag is seen as a nationalistic weirdo by normal Japanese people.

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[-] Ardiente@ttrpg.network 42 points 8 months ago

Noob here, can guess Russia with ukraine but can anyone supply the full list for context on this meme ?

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 70 points 8 months ago

The other two flags are North Korea (left) and Serbia (right).

North Korea began the Korean War by invading South Korea. It didn't end well for them (or for the South, for that matter) but South Korea prospers today while the North is...well, North Korea.

For Serbia, it is one of the many states formed from the dissolution of Yugoslavia. Going from one country to several countries which were defined mainly by ethnic association was not a clean transition. There were Serbs living in other former Yugoslav countries, and Serbia used that justification to start occupying those majority-Serbian areas, similar to what Russia has been doing with Ukraine, Transnistria, South Ossetia, and to a lesser extent Abkhazia.

[-] dfc09@lemmy.world 44 points 8 months ago

More specifically with Serbia, they were genociding until NATO stepped in and bombed them, and have spent the last 20+ years crying about how NATO was the big bad boogie man who attacked first, while simultaneously trying to destabilize Kosovo through frequent Russian backed violations of the MTA that ended the open conflict. Literal government policies of a schoolyard bully.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 40 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

South Korea at the time was run by actual fascists, people often originally put in charge by the prior Japanese occupation who helped genocide their own people and kept by the "democratic" Allies because, being fascists, they really hated commies.

It's also simply disingenuous to pretend North Korea's economic problems aren't mostly caused by the embargo they've been under for seventy years.

Does that make North Korea the victim?

Well, not really, but on the other hand, you can certainly understand the invasion.

Unlike some people, they actually were invading fascists. Ones that actually were their people's oppressors, and even to this day most Koreans consider themselves a divided nation and support reunification, unlike Russia and Ukraine or Serbia and literally everyone else from the former Yugoslavia because the Serbs were dicks.

From that point of view it's certainly easier to understand why they would portray themselves as victims compared to people who just want to conquer and genocide their neighbors.

But time is funny, you become what you hate, etc.

Can't really say Marxist-> Feudal Monarchy is the typical trajectory though.

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[-] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

lol Serbians don’t need a majority. If there were two Serbs and a cup living in a given city, Serbia would claim it and ethically cleanse the shit out of it.

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[-] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 41 points 8 months ago

North Korea - Korean war and Serbia - Yugoslav wars

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[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 38 points 8 months ago

North Korea? Really?

The country that had fucking 20% of its population slaughtered by the US in just 3 years after Korea was split in two against their will after WW2?

[-] Arelin@lemmy.zip 31 points 8 months ago

Leave it to westerners to be completely ignorant of history lol

This 'meme' is disgusting.

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[-] M0ty@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago
[-] Snoozemumrik@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago

Yes, history started 7th October. Very smart

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 23 points 8 months ago

NK shouldn’t be here

[-] Ambiorickx@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

The number of tankies in this thread is just epic

[-] Arelin@lemmy.zip 19 points 8 months ago

So, pointing out that the US carpet bombed North Korea with 635,000 tons of bombs, killed 20% of their population and turned all remaining infrastructure to rubble is "tankie" now?

You guys just can't see non-westerners as human.

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