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Well known KDE developer Nate Graham is out with a blog post today outlining his latest Wayland thoughts, how X11 is a bad platform, and the recent topic of "Wayland breaking everything" isn't really accurate.

"In this context, “breaking everything” is another perhaps less accurate way of saying “not everything is fully ported yet”. This porting is necessary because Wayland is designed to target a future that doesn’t include 100% drop-in compatibility with everything we did in the past, because it turns out that a lot of those things don’t make sense anymore. For the ones that do, a compatibility layer (XWayland) is already provided, and anything needing deeper system integration generally has a path forward (Portals and Wayland protocols and PipeWire) or is being actively worked on. It’s all happening!"

Nate's Original Blog Post

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[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Nate Graham acknowledges current gaps in Wayland support but on the matter of "Wayland breaks everything" isn't really the right perspective

That's rather disingenuous. It's meant to be a replacement for X11. So it does break things.

[-] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As railways were a replacement for canals.

It was not the railways that broke the barge. But the companies expecting to gain the advantages without adapting there transportation.

Replace not upgrade.

PS i still use canals. Bur do not blame the raIlway for not fitting my boat.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Railways are not a "replacement" for canals.

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[-] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

But not "everything", which is the point.

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[-] Kristof12@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Trying to gaslight others? nice

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

No, they're discussing the way forward and what they think makes sense. In fact, they're even clearly stating that there will be pain, because Wayland intentionally does less than X11. And they're encouraging people with unsolved pain points to speak up.

[-] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Really looking forward to the day nvidia drivers properly support wayland. Getting tons of bugs, stutters, and general usability issues with plasma wayland on my 3060. X11 just works on the other hand, even with multiple monitors running at different refresh rates (something a friend of mine said X11 doesn't work well with). But I want all the nice benefits wayland offers.

[-] sherlockholmez@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

~~Wayland doesn't support Nvidia GPUs yet~~

I'm sorry, my bad, I was unaware.

Nvidia GPUs don't support Wayland yet. As Linux Torvalds would say, "NVidia, Fuck You"

[-] gnumdk@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Fuck You NVIDIA

[-] cobra89@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Uh reading the article, pretty sure the author would phrase it as "Nvidia GPUs don't support Wayland yet" and that author would be absolutely right.

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[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Eh, I always discredit people when they say X is bad.

It's been around for over 20 years. That kind of longevity should be praised.

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