Some instances know their embrace, extend, extinguish history and some don’t.
And for those that don't:
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
I still stand by that defederation as the only line of defense is a losing strategy. Keeping users siloed in Facebook's garden shouldn't be seen as a win for us.
Keeping users siloed in Facebook’s garden shouldn’t be seen as a win for us.
Sometimes the only winning move is not to play. If people hadn't federated with google's XMPP back in the day, google wouldn't have had the same level of control it had to kill XMPP as a competitor.
We need to learn from the lessons of the past, and the past has resulted in the deaths of services when federating with corporations.
"We should debate them... And defeat them on the Marketplace of Ideas." Yeah, right.
What is your definition of win? Market share? Are you thinking in capitalist terms?
Nobody is forcing those people to use Facebook, and they are welcome to come here whenever they like.
The color codes and symbols aren't at all propagandist.
I mean technically, but it's not like it's trying to be subtle about it. From the page:
I believe that Facebook represents one of the gravest threats to democracies around the world [...]
The point is to discourage instances from federating with threads.
I thought the same, then I saw the quote at the top of the page and realized it wasn’t strictly for information tracking
Huh. You'd think more instances were blocking, given the amount of buzz.
Being generallky in favor of letting individual users make this call that's... mildly encouraging. Of course I happen to be in an instance that is blocking, so...
It's worth noting that this still splits Mastodon pretty much in half. That's arguably a bigger concern than anything else Meta may be doing. They may not even have to actually federate to break Mastodon, which is a very interesting dynamic.
We gotta pump these numbers up
Am I the one who finds X federated in the status of this website as that instance is not federated ?
It also confuses me that it says like that instance is federated.
Yes. I get the idea, because federating with them is the "negative" option, but honestly it's just confusing and overly opinionated for an infographic.
X = Federated = Bad
It's not rocket science.
There seems to a mistake saying that Threads is not blocked by lemmy.zip, when we defederated them months ago.
This is not an exhaustive list. For example, Instagram Threads profiles are available from kbin.social, which is not listed here, though.
It's somehow fun to see instance rules adding a clause about We do not federate with organization involved in Genocides
And a pitty that Meta is that Bad !
Is Lemmy.world not going to defederate from Threads? Did I miss something?
Thanks so much for the link!
Time to migrate my account then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
That's Mastodon.world or is that the same as lemmy.world?
Same admin.
I hope LW limits federation
Have the admins said anything? Why are we federated with them?
Yep. They don't care and they're going to keep federation with Facebook so "users have the choice to opt out"
Mastodon's largest instance is letting them in too
What is fedipact?
It's a silly hashtag för instances that are in a "pact" to block Threads
This is why I love DBZER0
Not nearly enough.
Good. On one hand it's good to see fediverse stuff coming mainstream, on the other hand the last thing we want is a load of celebrities and brands trying to cannibalise said fediverse as an opportunity to corner the market instead of genuinely useful resources for communication
If the Fediverse is truly the architecture of the future, then shouldn't it be able to stand any attempt by Meta to control it? If Meta is able to control it, then isn't it the wrong solution?
You're completely right.
Defederation is silly here in my opinion. I'd personally prefer more content and more mainstream stuff. We're basically isolating ourselves. If it's so great, it'll flourish; instead we won't allow it. So much for an open community. :shrug:
We also collectively downvote people who think this which is also silly. Heck even this post is more/less to bully these instances into doing what this group wants.
Reminds me of the bad side of Reddit.
So, I choose the right instances at the beginning.
A community dedicated to fediverse news and discussion.
Fediverse is a portmanteau of "federation" and "universe".
Getting started on Fediverse;