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Fucking Republicans.
There's more than just the US that are able to help.
The US is the world's armoury. Sure, there are other nations that could help, but everyone knows it's the US that Kyiv is hoping for
It's actually split almost 50/50 as far as money spent between the US and EU. But, yeah.. it is the US weapons they want.
Right but people kinda expect the guy with the most stuff to do the most in a situation like this. Decades of US arming Europe and when it comes time to do something not much is happening. Sitting on the sidelines while a population is getting attacked with the means to stop it.
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This. Stop begging the US for money and guns with one side of your mouths while telling us how terrible we are for everything with the other. We are facing some pretty significant issues of our own, and I know that when shit gets bad here, there won't be a single country anywhere that will help us.
You think the US has been sending weapons and money to Ukraine for the last 2yrs out of the kindness of its heart? Fuck no. The US has benefited immensely from the status quo and stands to lose a lot if Russian imperialism is not checked here and now. The only reason the US can even contemplate giving less is because Russia is so fucked from the last 2yrs.
What you see as "begging for money and guns" is just an observation of reality - a small country like Ukraine cannot stand up to a huge one like Russia without support, and it benefits the west greatly to give that support.
US foreign policy is not charitable and never has been.
Also lest we not forget that this is exactly what good relations and alliances are for - to give aid to the one in need because we're stronger together. It stands to reason that those with the most, should also give the most.
Oh and BTW, the EU has given more to Ukraine than the US has.
Huh I didn’t know EU gave more. Link please as my searching has not turned up such a link. Best I’ve seen is 50/50.
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I think I speak for a lot of Canadians that when your civil war breaks out, we'll be sending arms and support to whoever is opposing the Trumpists. It may be under the table.
I'll also point out that there was an explicit understanding with the west. Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons (the USSR had a good number based there). In return, the west agreed to back them if Russia tried to annex them. Russia is currently doing exactly that, it's not unreasonable for Ukraine to expect some help.
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Fuck the republican traitor filth.
You've got to give Putin this, he gets what he pays for.
No surprise.
1st year of most wars RUS is in. They're crap in but afterwards they become a force to be reckoned with.
US-EU should have given UKR all the military equipment that UKR requested in the beginning instead of it being slowly given.
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I'm surprised the military industrial complex isn't just loaning them the ordinance they were buying. Ukraine is slated to win easily if they can keep supplied. Most likely financial aid will resume from the US and EU. So those loans won't take long to pay off. And then the industry has another nation to buy their bombs.
Me too. I never thought I would say this, but I'm surprised the Military Industrial Complex doesn't hold more pull with Reps.
Either Russia pays better or they're just holding out hope that being contrarian to Democrats, regardless of the issue, will win them another term.
R's are beholden to the dumbest, meanest people in the US. The MIC knows thus and knows they will get their money one way or another.
If Ukraine falls, Putin won't stop there, for example.
Getting their paid for politicians reelected is more important.
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"slated to win easily"
Almost sounds like a sports cliche. Easy to talk about war like that when you have little to no stake in the game and can think of both sides as good guys and bad guys.
I agree with most of your points. Fortunately unlike most wars, this one does actually have a clear good and bad guy.
I had to watch John Kirby cry about Russians hitting Ukrainian hospitals and then smirk as he's talking about Israelis doing the same thing. There are no good guys when the US is involved in war.
Sure, the US hardly ever deserve the title of good guys, but surely we can agree Ukraine is the penultimate good guy
(for now, it'll be interesting to see then switch back out of wartime emergency powers if things ever settle down enough for them to have the chance)
Meh the US at the helm typically keeps everyone else chilled the fuck out so I would say net-net they’re good.
Lol okay, good for who? Vietnam? Iraq? Korea? Cambodia? Panama? Nicaragua?
The US has been "at the helm" for so long now it's impossible to think it any other way. US foreign policy is "good" for one country, the US. The global police bullshit is exactly that, bullshit.
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can think of both sides as good guys and bad guys.
One country invaded another country without (real) cause. That seems pretty clear-cut.
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It’s almost like it’s not that ridiculously simplistic.
Do you like, have any information that would show why this isn't happening due to more complicated details? Or did you just post in order to talk down to someone without making any salient points whatsoever?
Do I need specific info to recognize that “the military industrial complex” is not a single homogenous entity that goes around loaning and selling to whomever independent of any oversight, national security concerns, or contractual obligations?
Are you referring to some “the CEO” of the MIC? Keyword here is “complex” as in various uncoordinated entities… not a single block selling weapons the gov contracted for manufacture to anyone on the side.
Just think a little… You do realize congress purchased those weapons, it’s up to the US gov to decide what to do with them. Lockheed doesn’t just walk over and double deal a stealth fighter to the highest bidder like a car salesman with a quota…
It’s shit like this that gets people discouraged and missing the reality of our support for Ukrainian independence. It’s not a MIC thing as much as some people would like to simplistically align our support for Ukraine with Bush’s war in Iraq. It’s misguided and potentially dangerous to misconstrue this shit like that.
You describe a scenario divorced from reality, ignorant of national security, ignorant of who owns what yet you’re asking me for specifics?
basically, the government has to approve sales.
Maybe because Ukraine isn't going to "win" any time soon or easily as you believe?
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Ukraine is slated to win easily if they can keep supplied.
This is where you're wrong and a victim of propaganda.
Russia has been getting bounced back reliably for years. But it'll be hard for any army to fight without munitions.
This is a great tactic if you support Russia.
That's not extremely profitable though. It's only "very" profitable. The US doesn't move for "very".
Let's first slow down, instead use these tax payer funds to add middle men, like US corporations and fund them instead to help Ukraine. Much more money for the chums from the club.
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Yeah, but the GOP will be getting a lot of money from Russian cutouts for this betrayal of freedom & democracy.
Winter came. Maneuvering is very hard.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Top general Oleksandr Tarnavskyi said troops faced ammunition shortages along the "entire front line", creating a "big problem" for Kyiv.
But it relies heavily on western supplies, particularly on deliveries of long-range missiles and air defence systems, to fight occupying Russian forces.
A report by the Estonian defence ministry said Kyiv needed a minimum of 200,000 artillery shells a month to retain an edge against Russia.
Speaking to the BBC, Ukraine's Deputy Defence Minister Ivan Havryliuk said the country was ramping up production of kamikaze drones "to compensate [for] the lack of artillery shells".
However, the situation has signalled to Russia that international support for Ukraine is weakening - and there are concerns that by switching its economy onto a war footing, Moscow can outlast the West in this battle of attrition.
Kalle Kirss, Estonia's defence adviser to Nato, told the BBC that Europe needed to commit funding to support Ukraine.
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