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A bill that would allow police in France to spy on suspects by remotely activating cameras, microphone including GPS of their phones has been passed.

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[-] sorenant@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago

That's a good reason to riot.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 84 points 1 year ago

The US federal government has been doing this since the 00's. Snowden exposed them and the public responded with hatred towards Snowden. Unfortunately the average citizen just doesn't seem to care.

[-] MiniJungleTroll@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago

I don’t think the majority of people KNOW what Snowden was even trying to tell them. I remember when this came out and the news media was clutching their pearls over the act of leaking information rather than discussing the contents. I’m still learning about what was contained in those leaks to this day. It is so heavily propagandized that we need a new word for it.

[-] Baka_Mitai@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Now those same people are saying it's no big deal that Donnie kept all the no-no papers.

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[-] Yoz@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Mostly boomers who don't understand tech

[-] moustique@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

That’s an erroneous understanding of our era. The younger generations are gods at liking and commenting on social networks, but they just don’t care about privacy. They flock like birds to litteral spyware just for a quick meme fix.

Not everything you think is wrong has to do exclusively with boomers.

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[-] Eggyhead@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Not public, propaganda. The public result was confusion and ultimately apathy.

[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Guess degoogled phones with custom OSes will soon be illegal then?

[-] mycus@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago

Wasn't a guy convicted on france not long ago and the deciding factor the judge used was because he used linux? WTF is going on there?

[-] Toribor@corndog.uk 27 points 1 year ago

Modern hardware is likely exploitable by state actors via firmware/hardware vulnerabilities that can't be mitigated at a software level.

[-] piecat@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Ya just look at the Intel management engine. Or the AMD platform security processor. Lot of spooky shit like secret op-codes.

We need more open source HW.

[-] cygnus_velum@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago

How is this even feasible on Android or iPhones? Are they going to force everyone to download Team Viewer or something?

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

Everyone causally saying the government can just do it with Pegasus is ignoring the fact that Pegasus itself is an exploit. It is a hack, to breach your personal device. If I used the same methods to get into a bank’s systems it would be a violation of the law. Same if I created this software and gave it to you for the same purpose. Ask yourselves why it would be permissible to sell this software then commercially? And, why is it permissible for the government to use it to hack your own devices. Let’s not just brush over this discussion like it’s nothing.

[-] _wintermute@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Nobody ignores the fact that government is doing something illegal when the conversation about their rampant spying happens. You may just be late to the party. We all know it's illegal, unethical, and immoral. It basically comes down to this:

What are you going to do about it?

We're living in objectively dystopian times. Our government does illegal shit literally all the time and gets away with it.

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

What are you going to do about it?

The very least people can do is talk about it and acknowledge it's bad.

Acceptance and normalization support the other side.

[-] _wintermute@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

My generation has talked it to death. It's pretty agreed upon that we're being fucked and have very little power to stop it. Eventually you don't have time to rehash all the heinous shit that happens because you realize there's a constant deluge of it. Has nothing to do with "supporting the other side" lol. If reality has got you feeling insane, well, you're on the right track.

[-] wtfeweguys@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 7 points 1 year ago

We have everything we need to stop it, we’re just spun and poorly organized (by design).

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[-] Spiracle@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While this news article is, apparently, not trustworthy, in general, France could demand every phone sold in the country include some kind of spyware. Many sellers already add a lot of programs by default anyway, so this would be how I image it might be implemented.

Given that 7 people were recently arrested for using privacy respecting tools like the Signal messenger and Protonmail, removing that bloatware/spyware might then be cause enough to arrest you. After all, only terrorists want to have privacy, right?

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[-] verysoft@kbin.social 48 points 1 year ago

The whole world is going to shit

[-] Bingohas@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

This has been my view for quite a while.

[-] Random_user@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

At least they have the decency to tell you they are doing it.
In the US it took Snowden to leak this to the public that the government has been doing it for ages behind their backs.

[-] nbailey@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 year ago

The oppression will continue until revolt stops!

Things didn’t go very well for Ceaușescu, so I’m sure Macron won’t repeat any of the same screwups.

[-] AttackBunny@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The oppression will continue ~~until revolt stops!~~

There. Fixed it for you.

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[-] Boabab@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago

There is so much news like this coming from France lately. What is going on over there?

[-] Tigbitties@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago

Huge wealth gap. Poor people are treated like shit. They're are hungry and angry. Historically, the French are quick to protest and the rich are doing what they can to stop it. I believe we're getting a glimpse of what is going to happen all over the world soon.

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[-] AshTheGoblin@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

France, yall okay with this?

[-] Gazumbo@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I'd say this is worth another riot.

[-] nargacu83@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I can't even reconize my country values for the past few months and yet it's only the beginning for the current government, we still have 4 years to go with Macron. Who knows what ideas they hold for the future.

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[-] SafetyGoggles@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago

A Google search for "France phone camera" only gives this posted link and dailymail.co.uk article, both of which are not really trustworthy sources, IMO.

So I'm gonna go with "this is very possibly fake news".

[-] alexandrius@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago
[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Macron isn't left wing, even by international standards. He was an investment banker at Rothschild. La Republique En Marche is a centre or centre right party.

[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

This article doesn't link to a single primary source.

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[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

I mean how are they really going to stop FOSS? They'll ban linux and then nobody can use the internet.

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