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[-] Psionicsickness@reddthat.com 46 points 2 years ago

US Sailor here. Iran is actually pretty scary. They have diesel submarines. They can sit silently in that sea and kill a carrier faster than any battle group could respond.

[-] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago

I think you are a bit confused here. The anime girl in this meme clearly states that Irans navy sucks

[-] HolyDiver@aussie.zone 6 points 2 years ago

wouldn’t nuclear submarines be quieter?

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 years ago

The short answer is “it’s complicated but yes, and practically no.” Nuclear submarines have the operation range to obfuscate their location orders of magnitude better than diesel. Diesel is quieter but their range makes tracking infinitely more feasible. “A needle in a haystack vs a splinter in pail of hay.” Nuclear is better at power projection, diesel is better at short range defense/offense.

[-] PhineaZ@feddit.de 19 points 2 years ago

Look at it this way: When a diesel sub is endangered, they can turn off everything and I mean EVERYTHING. Quiet as a mouse that doesn't exist. However, it will have to resurface eventually. A nuclear sub cannot do that. The cooling pumps have to keep running. But they can stay under water pretty much indefinitely (until they run out of food).

[-] InfiniteStruggle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

I assume the cooling pumps make noise when they're running?

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Nuclear subs have cooling systems that need to be working constantly. This creates additional vibrations/noise on top of the propulsion system.s that would be pretty similar between both subs. As well as nuclear subs needing to be much bigger, so require propulsion that produce more noise

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Diesel submarines can literally turn off every system and just drift in the ocean currents silently, or loiter on the sea floor where they are indistinguishable from a rock.

[-] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

Worth noting nuclear submarines have a sort of minimum-practical-size determined by the need for a functional nuclear reactor on board. Combined with the plain expense of nuclear reactors means that states can build way more ssk's than ssn's for a given budget. It's often better to have three 25% chances of sinking the other guy than one 50% chance.

[-] zarp86@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

It's often better to have three 25% chances of sinking the other guy than one 50% chance.

Three 25% of sinking is the same as three 75% chance of not sinking. Which is (3/4) * (3/4) * (3/4) chance of not sinking, which is approximately a 42% chance of not sinking, which is a 58% chance of sinking. 58% > 50%, the math checks out.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Sit silently for all of what, 12 hours?

[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I am no fan of US interventions, but I find it interesting that apparently the US Navy had left the red sea for a while, but the Iranian marine seemed to be emboldened by the absence of US ships and started harassing commercial ships, prompting the US Navy to send a presence back into the red sea.

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

One day soon, we wont show up, that's when shit really hits the fan

[-] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

mighty Dorito

Which you for some reason cropped out of the image¯_(ツ)_/¯

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/62e0dc99-fa23-4856-b1ef-d241a7318757.jpeg

[-] arymandias@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

Aircraft carriers are sitting ducks for countries with real armies. They are an outdated technology in the age of satellites, drones, and guided missiles.

[-] bioemerl@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago
[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

You're actually totally correct...... for a carrier on its own. But that's why carrier groups exist to defendbthe carrier against things like guided misses and drones.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah tell that to the Iron Meme system.

For the cost of one guided rocket you can throw enough cheap trash to empty the entire carrier defense systems.

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

oh no, They keep launching the cheap trash from over there.

Carrier Group: Delete all the over there, and all the over there next to it.

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

Those things can't even get near the Carrier group.

Tell me you have no idea what you're talking about without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about.

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