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[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 107 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Well, ackshually...

tl;dw: the Swedish and Finnish pronunciations use the same "i" as "Linux", but Torvalds doesn't care if people use the English one.

[-] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 19 points 10 months ago

I first started using Linux in 1995 (I think it was kernel 1.2 or something), and this was being argued over (or at least discussed) even back then. The conclusion was that Leenus doesn’t care how you pronounce Leenux.

[-] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 10 months ago

And he pronounces it Leenooks

[-] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

You’re exactly correct. That was my best approximation.

[-] josefo@leminal.space 11 points 10 months ago

That was very enlightening, the Spanish pronunciation is actually more close to that than the English one, so I feel very validated as an Spanish speaker. Thank you. Also didn't knew that he wasn't from an English speaking country.

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[-] Epzillon@lemmy.world 54 points 10 months ago

Except it doesn't in Finnish, where Linus Torvald is from. Linus and Linux is pronounced the same except for the final consonant.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 19 points 10 months ago

So his name is really Lin-us and not Line-us?

[-] Heavybell@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

I believe I saw a youtube clip of him saying his name and Linux that way, yes.

[-] zero_gravitas@aussie.zone 3 points 10 months ago
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[-] neidu@feddit.nl 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes.

Source: I'm Norwegian but I used to know an irate IT finn named Linus. A separate irate IT finn named Linus, that is.

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[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 16 points 10 months ago

I'm Italian and I pronounce both "i"s in the same way. Why is English so strange?

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 10 points 10 months ago
[-] ebc@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago

Hey, we pronounce both the same, too. Sorry English, that's on you and you alone.

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In this particular instance, the Great Vowel Shift is to blame. What caused that is up for debate.

In general, English is so strange because it's a mongrel language, incorporating words from a variety of other different languages.

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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I've heard a lot of people pronounce it "Line-ux" lately. I hope it doesn't blow up into another Gif vs Jif debate.

Edit: and if it was supposed to be pronounced jif it would be spelled "jif", regardless of what Steve Wilhite says.

[-] Draghetta@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

There is nothing to debate, Linux is just Linus with an x at the end and should be pronounced as such.

Though sometimes I wish Linus had claimed it was pronounced laynaxe just to fuck with people. Too bad we already know: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c39QPDTDdXU&pp=ygUpbXkgbmFtZSBpcyBsaW51cyB0b3J2YWxkcyBhbmQgaSBwcm9ub3VuY2U%3D

[-] DharmaCurious@startrek.website 4 points 10 months ago

Y'know the gnome/Guh-nome debate? I intentionally pronounce it Zhnome to fuck with people.

[-] Cosmicomical@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

It's jee-nom, pronounced while rotating your eyes

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[-] nublug 6 points 10 months ago

it's jif. every argument for gif is wrong, and it sounds awkward af, like you got swiped by candlejack mid-wor

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

Jraphics Interchange Format.

[-] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 9 points 10 months ago

They are usually seen next to J-fegs

[-] nublug 8 points 10 months ago

we say jay-peg for jpeg, pee en gee for png, and ay tee em for atm. none of these are based on the pronunciation of the words they represent.

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[-] TurnItOff_OnAgain@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

So Scuba is pronounce Skuh-bah then, right? Since it's Self Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus.

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[-] 7fb2adfb45bafcc01c80@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I started back with kernel 0.12 and called it Line-ucks. I still do and people look at me funny, but it's an old habit and I'm an old dog.

When Linus released his audio file it was already etched into my brain the other way. I do remember being joking that I'm glad his name wasn't Pinus (like the genus for pine trees) after hearing him say it.

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[-] z00s@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

The real debate is whether it's sudo or sudo.

I know it means "super user do" so should be pronounced "sue doo", but it just grates on my ear. To me it will always be "Sue dough"

[-] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

akshully

It's "substitute user do", and defaults to root

IIRC

[-] intrapt@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

So it should be pronounced "suh doo"?

I'll have fun annoying people with this pronunciation, thanks!

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 10 months ago

It's really confusing because "pseudo" pronounce the same way, means not real. So it's like you only kind of have admin access but really there's a lot of systems you can't change. Except that's not the case, and you have full access.

[-] Heavybell@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah but you're not really root, you just have permission to run things as root ;)

That's my flimsy justification for pronouncing it like pseudo, anyway.

[-] Sinthesis@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I have no source to back this up so maybe I came up with this in my own reality, but I thought it was related to, pseudo = pretended.

[-] josefo@leminal.space 4 points 10 months ago

Ah, yeah, that fucked me up too few months ago, there are several videos on the subject. I think it's a problem with words that are created as written first, and then got pronounced, in second place, like most tech lingo. As a non-native speaker those are always the hardest to speak correctly, and even english has no real consensus.

[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 3 points 10 months ago

I'd like to introduce you to "GIF"

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[-] brettvitaz@programming.dev 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I’ve always pronounced it Linux. Who pronounces it another way?

[-] Cosmicomical@kbin.social 16 points 10 months ago
[-] josefo@leminal.space 6 points 10 months ago

The first time I heard it it was pronounced Linux

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[-] helmet91@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I've always pronounced it as "Linux". And then, one day I heard it from a native English speaker pronouncing it as "Linix", and I still keep hearing that everywhere, but I just cannot fix my brain anymore. To me it always remains "Linux".

[-] khaffner@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

In english maybe

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 10 months ago

You don't pronounce it "line-ux?"

[-] misophist@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No, I pronounce them Lee-nukes and Lee-noose.

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[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Well he named it, didn't he? It's his own pronunciations.

[-] Aatube@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Actually, he didn't even name it that way, though he did later dictate how it should be pronounced before demonstrating that pronunciation with a completely different pronunciation.

Ari Lemmke, Torvalds' coworker at the Helsinki University of Technology (HUT) who was one of the volunteer administrators for the FTP server at the time, did not think that "Freax" was a good name, so he named the project "Linux" on the server without consulting Torvalds.[58] Later, however, Torvalds consented to "Linux".

According to a newsgroup post by Torvalds,[11] the word "Linux" should be pronounced (/ˈlɪnʊks/ ⓘ LIN-uuks) with a short 'i' as in 'print' and 'u' as in 'put'. To further demonstrate how the word "Linux" should be pronounced, he included an audio guide with the kernel source code.[59] However, in this recording, he pronounces Linux as /ˈlinʊks/ (LEEN-uuks) with a short but close front unrounded vowel, instead of a near-close near-front unrounded vowel as in his newsgroup post.

[-] kogasa@programming.dev 7 points 10 months ago

Dammit he's a Finnish nerd, not a linguist.

[-] spudwart@spudwart.com 7 points 10 months ago

Quick recap.

So, Linux is Linux because a set of events that lead to it being named after Linus.

It wasn't uncommon at this time for Unix systems to be named after their relevant creator or platform like this. HP-UX, PC-UX A/UX etc.

Linux would probably be seen as LIN-UX or LIN/UX, it may not seeing as Linux is not Unix, but that's just speculation.

Linux in its proper reading would be Linus Unix, but that doesn't make any sense Linux is Unix-like, but it was made in a vacuum without access to Unix source or even Unix systems at all near the beginning.

[-] Wootz@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Interesting! Do you happen to know where the -UX suffix convention came from?

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[-] b0gl@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

It's the same in Swedish so I never realized it's pronounced differently

[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago
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[-] sirico@feddit.uk 3 points 10 months ago

Thats a real Tough trough though is really gets wound around the wound

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