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[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

"If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said. It said the Ukrainian army stood “ready to act under any circumstances”.

In his nightly video message, Zelenskiy said Russia was planning to “simulate an attack” on the plant. “But in any case, the world sees – and cannot fail to see – that the only source of danger to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is Russia. And no one else.”

Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions"

[-] Pili@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

"If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said.

Not gonna lie, that's pretty smart. Now if Ukraine decides to start shelling the plant, they can just pretend that it's actually Russia that detonated some charges.

I think that's a pattern we'll start seeing more and more.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions

Judging from the comments, he could probably finance that entire war just by selling bridges to liberals -_-

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[-] u_tamtam@programming.dev 29 points 1 year ago

How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame that? "Ukrainians are Nazis and so we took over their nuclear power plant because we (though we) could. Now they want to destroy it, incurring an immense ecological impact to mostly themselves, because if they can't have it, better be dead too"?

[-] Stereocloud@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago

Don't underestimate Russias stupidity and sheer incompetence, they probably think the brainwashed masses in russia will believe them. We need a hard line to stop it, but, if russia wants their face kicked in by NATO for real, who am I to deny them. I hope for a crater where the Kremlin stands.

[-] LiquorFan@pathfinder.social 11 points 1 year ago

I don't think most of them believe the government media, they just go along with it. And the ones that are against it are already dead/in gulags/sent to Ukraine. That's what totalitarian states do.

[-] lycanrising@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

"turns out the ukranians actually liked chernobyl, so much so that they're probably planning on doing it again!"

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame that?

Just see this comment section. "Ukranian artillery did it!"

[-] InverseParallax@voyager.lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, but also "We need a status quo cease fire, clearly things are getting dangerous for everybody, let's all sit down at the bargaining table right now. Of course, in the meantime we keep our current territory and that is the starting point for negotiation, not any territory you might get in the next few months."

It's calling timeout, no tag backs when you're losing in tag. Or as putin calls it "escalate to de-escalate".

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame a completely baseless claim without any evidence and that make no sense, is that seriously the question you're asking here?

[-] u_tamtam@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Ah yeah, that totally looks like a reliable site that somebody without any brain damage would use as a source.

[-] u_tamtam@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't need more evidence that your problem is with reading comprehension. This isn't a news source per se, this tells what the Russian state media reports about. It doesn't take much effort to corroborate that:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/7/5/russia-ukraine-live-news-kyiv-attacks-russian-forces-in-donestsk

https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraine-suicide-drone-attacks-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-power/

Speaking about brain damage.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

You haven't collaborated anything, and the fact that you think that's collaboration further underscores my point. How about we look at what IAEA, who actually have people on the ground, have to say

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/the-interview/20230629-iaea-saw-no-evidence-moscow-planning-attack-on-zaporizhia-nuclear-plant-but-anything-can-happen

[-] u_tamtam@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago

I think you should take a break, walk outside for a bit, and hop back with a clearer mind. Your are arguing about… I don't know what about.

Fact: Russian newspapers are announcing that an attack by Ukraine on the ZNPP is imminent. It doesn't matter whether you trust Ukraine's account of it, because this is literally in the Russian newspapers: https://www.rt.com/russia/579215-ukrainian-attack-nuclear-plant/

My question is: (what THIS thread is about) from the viewpoint of a Russian propagandist, how can they make this story seem credible, (or, IOW, what would Ukraine's motive be) considering that this would hurt Ukraine the most.

Next time you can use less of your condescending tone and more of your reading time to post on point.

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[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Your guess is as good as mine. But if you have watched Russ TV, they aren't afraid of saying the most ridiculous things.

Though according to the article: Renat Karchaa, an adviser to the head of Rosenergoatom, which operates Russia’s nuclear network, said Ukraine planned to drop ammunition laced with nuclear waste transported from another of the country’s five nuclear stations on the plant.

“Under cover of darkness overnight on 5 July the Ukrainian military will try to attack the Zaporizhzhia station using long-range precision equipment and kamikaze attack drones,” Russian news agencies quoted Karchaa as telling Russian television. He offered no evidence in support of the allegation."

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

What the fuck is this comment section?!

[-] Kempeth@feddit.de 25 points 1 year ago

Russian copium brigade out for a special typing operation

[-] TCE@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

The International Atomic Energy Agency (UN nuclear watchdog) has been monitoring the ZNPP for months, at the request of Russia.

Today, they report there is no evidence of planted explosives at the ZNPP.

Essentially, the UN said Zelensky is full of shit.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/iaea-has-seen-no-sign-explosives-zaporizhzhia-yet-more-access-needed-2023-07-05/

[-] HowRu68@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Yo do realise it was Russia who's been shelling the ZNPP, and it was the Ukrainian staff keeping the plant safe? So No, Russia hasn't asked for monitoring. It was the IAEE itself.

" The ZNPP has been controlled by Russian forces since early March. Over the past seven months, its Ukrainian operating staff have worked to prevent a nuclear accident during the current military conflict, in extremely difficult conditions with frequent shelling at the plant or near it."

Also the IAEE STILL hasn't been granted full access by plant which has been under Russian military control.

" The IAEA experts have requested additional access that is necessary to confirm the absence of mines or explosives. In particular, access to the rooftops of reactor units 3 and 4 is essential, as well as access to parts of the turbine halls and some parts of the cooling system at the plant."

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[-] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

From your link:

VIENNA, July 5 (Reuters) - Experts from the U.N. nuclear watchdog based at the Russian-held Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine have yet to observe any indications of mines or explosives at the plant, but they need more access to be sure

[-] emperorbenguin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago
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[-] zephyrvs@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

NAFO trolls downvoting every voice critical of Ukraine, I see you.

[-] Bo7a@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

And thanks to blocklists we won't have to see you ever again :)

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Imagine genuinely thinking that Russia blows up their own infrastructure for no reason. The fact that this is a serious topic of discussion in the west shows that any sort of critical thinking has been eradicated at this point.

[-] Potatofish@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Really? They also once had a hydroelectric dam. Just don't post...

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

You mean the hydroelectric dam that even US admitted Ukraine was launching missiles against? Just don't post...

[-] Potatofish@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

All the hard work you put into spreading nonsense is wasted in Lemmy. There aren't enough users to make it worthwhile. Then again, you'd be banned quickly somewhere like Reddit, so I guess it's your only choice.

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[-] lasagna@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah. They value their stuff so much. Particularly their own soldiers.

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[-] iopq@vlemmy.net 9 points 1 year ago

It's not their own territory

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

It's literally territory they've annexed from Ukraine. And anybody who actually paid attention for the past month can see that Ukraine is in no position to take any territory back based on how their offensive is going.

[-] iopq@vlemmy.net 9 points 1 year ago

No position to take any territory back? How about the 300km^2 they took back already this summer?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Oh you mean the territory Russia didn't actually contest because they haven't mobilized yet. Amazing counterpoint you've got there. 🤡

[-] iopq@vlemmy.net 6 points 1 year ago

They have mobilized 300,000 troops last year. It's news to Russia that they didn't contest it, since they fought for and lost Pyatyhatky, just now fighting for and losing Zherebyanky.

There are intense battles in Orikhiv area, but that could go either way. If Russia loses anything "they are not even trying"?

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[-] zephyrvs@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Russia has been making the same claims against Ukraine since at least november 2022 in front of the UN.

Such an attack would benefit Ukraine since it's more likely to cause NATO to get involved. Don't forget that.

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[-] RedMarsRepublic@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they're winning the war? This is another atrocity by the Ukrainian military to muddy the waters and try to attract yet more international support like the dam bombing.

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they’re winning the war?

Right, but they are not, they are ~~barely holding~~ losing ground.

[-] RedMarsRepublic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

And causing a nuclear disaster would help with this how? PS: When you hold part of your opponents country that means you're winning.

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

causing a nuclear disaster would help with this how?

The plant is located near the front lines, along a probable route to the Sea of Azov. Blowing it up creates an obstacle, making advances and supplies more difficult.

When you hold part of your opponents country that means you’re winning.

That's a stretch. Like Germany was winning WW2 until it was kicked out of France.

True, it's probably the best Russia can achieve but far from their goals. And they've been losing ground steadily now.

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[-] Lyrus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

These comments.... I wasn't expecting Lemmy to be russian bots just chatting with each other.

[-] Famko@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I mean, lemmy does have a sizable tankie population at lemmygrad

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