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[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 365 points 11 months ago

The U.S. Web Design System (USWDS) provides a comprehensive set of standards which guide those who build the U.S. government’s many websites. Its documentation for developers borrows a “2% rule” from its British counterpart:
. . . we officially support any browser above 2% usage as observed by analytics.usa.gov.

Reminder to self to always use FF when visiting .gov sites.

[-] yo_scottie_oh@lemmy.ml 140 points 11 months ago

Thank you for the excerpt. I initially interpreted the title as US government agencies will stop using Firefox, not US government agencies will stop requiring their web masters to test in Firefox.

[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago

I’d imagine that effectively means agencies would stop using Firefox, if they can’t use it on their own sites.

[-] _s10e@feddit.de 28 points 11 months ago

Websites built for Chrome do work in Firefox.

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[-] akilou@sh.itjust.works 52 points 11 months ago

Reminder to self to always use FF when visiting all websites.

^except the ones that only work in chrome

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[-] ripcord@kbin.social 22 points 11 months ago

Or just in general

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[-] veniasilente@lemm.ee 119 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I took the liberty of reading the article but I'm gonna say the title is quite... tendentious. Makes it sound like it's yet another one of those FUD / nutjob clickbait that have been coming at the privacy community for a few days with sensationalist titles such as "The CIA will stop funding Signal" (never has been) or "FBI wants to sell Wikipedia" (never has been).

What is going on?

EDIT: Cosmic Cleric has provided the definition of "tendentious", which I have linked.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago

tendentious

ten·den·tious /tenˈdenSHəs/ adjective expressing or intending to promote a particular cause or point of view, especially a controversial one. "a tendentious reading of history"

[-] trackindakraken@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 28 points 11 months ago

Thank you. I'm not too proud to say I didn't know this word. And, you saved me looking it up. When I was a kid, my dad got tired of defining words for me when I was reading a book, so he taught me to use a dictionary. From then on, I've read with a dictionary next to me.

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[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago

Your adroit incorporation of the term “tendentious” exemplifies lexical virtuosity. Impressive articulation. Truly seamless weaving of a sesquipedalian polysyllabic term.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

Someone call 911, I think I'm having some kind of medical issue with how this post looks.

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[-] dwokimmortalus@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

Much of it has to do with Firefox's decisions in the past 5-7 years that have made it very unfriendly to enterprise environments. The provisioning tools have gotten progressively more hostile to IT departments.

The US government is also finally moving to more modern systems for authentication and Mozilla has incorporated some particularly poor changes to how the stack is handled that are very unfriendly to IT environments that need to manage credentials for multiple authoritative sources. We had to switch to Chrome a couple years ago because our support cases with Mozilla would on many occasions come back with a response of 'we've made our decision and will not be considering changes'.

Unfortunately, as Firefox kicks itself out of the enterprise market; that's going to cascade to the personal market even further as well.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 100 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The U.S. Web Design System (USWDS) provides a comprehensive set of standards which guide those who build the U.S. government’s many websites.

Now I know what to blame for every single US government website being so poorly put together they they barely function, if they function at all.

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[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 92 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Really sad. In Germany, Firefox sits comfortably at 10% market share, and actually is having a slight uptick in the last month.

[-] silencioso@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago

Wait until Google implements manifest V3 and "kills" adblockers. Firefox will become cool again for the normies.

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[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 87 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm pretty convinced that a country with an annual military spend of almost three quarters of a trillion dollars can afford to QA their web services in at least the latest versions of the five major browsers(1). Anything less might be seen as corporate favouritism.

(1) Chrome, Firefox, Edge (so Chrome), Safari, and Opera (so also fucking Chrome, apparently) were the five I'm thinking of but I'm open to persuasion if anyone's got a better list

[-] computergeek125@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

Even Opera is now Chrome....

[-] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 27 points 11 months ago

Opera, chrome, but with CCP data theft and monitoring

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[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 80 points 11 months ago

Some of you need to stop spoofing browsing agents. We need to show people that Firefox is used. This telemetry can help Firefox support and become a big competitor to Chrome and other Chromium based browsers.

[-] burliman@lemm.ee 29 points 11 months ago

Do you think the number of people spoofing user agents are going to even dent those numbers?

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[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 74 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Governments agencies usually obtain software through contracts with vendors. Microsoft is one of those vendors so I'm not surprised to hear about this.

Also, Firefox is the pretty much the browser of freedom and independence so I'm surprised it's not illegal or "against family values" at this point. 😔

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 63 points 11 months ago

All you people too young to remember the late 1990s, enjoy the internet as we used to know it before adblockers, because it sounds like you're going to be out of options a lot of times soon.

I plan to use Firefox as long as I can, but I hate that I already have to have a backup browser for some sites, including the back end of the website where I used to work. And that will only get worse.

[-] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 25 points 11 months ago

Yup, just like the days where sites would just display a "this site is designed for internet explorer 6" and nothing else unless you were using IE.

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[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 59 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

holy shit I didn't realize the market share for firefox was so low. i remember when chrome was launched and figured they both had about the same

[-] Chobbes@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago

Firefox usage has plummeted. To be fair, 2% isn’t a huge slice of the pie, but it’s still a pretty large number of users in absolute terms.

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[-] sfgifz@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

and figured they both had about the same

Sounds like you're living in a 10000 meter hole under a rock.

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[-] crimroy@sopuli.xyz 48 points 11 months ago

Who cares? I use Firefox but why do I care if the US government does? I thought they were still using Netscape on Windows ME

[-] great_site_not@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Did you read the article? This is about how the government's web developers could stop writing websites that support Firefox. You might have to switch to Chromium to use government websites.

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[-] scytale@lemm.ee 43 points 11 months ago

I tried doing my annual vehicle registration online on FF yesterday and the dmv site kept throwing an error and bringing me back to step 1 when I submit my payment information. Tried turning off all my extensions and still wouldn’t budge. Finally tried it in Chrome and it worked instantly. You’d think government websites of all places would have compatibility with most popular browsers.

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[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 40 points 11 months ago

The government IT shops part feels like a real issue. If the government gets it's self in a tech debt to two of the largest IT orgs because they didn't want to invest the time to get Firefox enterprise installed and configured on at least their own machines I'll be pissed. Like why are we spending so much but getting so little from our IT?

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[-] red@sopuli.xyz 38 points 11 months ago

I am personally unaware of any serious reason to believe that Firefox’s numbers will improve soon.

Yeah about that. Manifest V3 will infuse Firefox userbase nicely come next summer.

[-] Firipu@startrek.website 66 points 11 months ago

Get out of the lemmy Foss bubble and ask again. I don't know anybody that actually gives a fuck about manifest v3 tbh.

[-] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 57 points 11 months ago

They will care about their adblocker no longer working

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Do many real life users even know about ad blockers?

[-] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 11 months ago
[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 37 points 11 months ago

YouTube has been running a successful awareness campaign for those that didn't know about Adblockers.

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[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 11 months ago

2% is huge. Many companies still have their website support ie6, and the US gov wants to abandon 2% of their users???

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[-] burliman@lemm.ee 28 points 11 months ago

Pretty sure those Edge numbers are from using it under duress…

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