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usb formatting (sh.itjust.works)

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[-] Dasnap@lemmy.world 112 points 9 months ago

Your USB is probably named '/' or '~' so give that a go.

[-] impolitecarry@lemmy.wtf 74 points 9 months ago

When you hit enter on the DD command, and your main storage light suddenly starts flashing.

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago

When you hit enter on the DD command, and your eyes suddenly start flashing.

[-] 567PrimeMover@kbin.social 56 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Little Jimmy wanted to try Fedora, But little Jimmy is no more. For what he thought was his external drive, was actually his cerebral core

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago
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[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

That was great :D though I'm afraid that this is kind of me, considering I have a file server on my vacuum robot

[-] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

So? I'm just creating an 8 GiB swap file.

[-] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago

Try btrfs, where with only 5 hours of research you can create a swap file without writing the entire file.
Also there is no other option, the 5h are non-optional.

After doing that twice, In my / now lives

/swapfile-howto

# this is btrfs not a normal file system.
# We have to create and allocate the file in a btrfs friendly way,
# and tell btrfs to not move or segment it.

touch /swapfile999
chmod 600 /swapfile999
truncate -s 0 /swapfile999
chattr +C /swapfile999
fallocate -l 999G /swapfile999
mkswap /swapfile999
swapon /swapfile999 -p 200

[-] ashe@lemmy.starless.one 11 points 9 months ago

I admire your dedication, but you really could've just done this

btrfs fi mkswapfile --size 16G /swap
swapon /swap
[-] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago

Huh, thank you for telling me, I'll amend the file with that info. This being a thing will probably spare many the troubles I experienced.

I did some digging to reconstruct what happened in my case. The file was created on 2022-12-08, and I remember this being after I rediscovered my earlier approach, from - going by my browsing history - mid september 2022. I worked through plenty of wiki pages at the time, including the btrfs docs on swapfiles, where I probably got my commands. The truncate in there to fix earlier mistakes is something I would keep in, but not add myself, so I must have copied that pages solution. Interestingly, going by archive.org, between dec 02 and dec 13 the documentation on btrfs fi mkswapfile was added to that page.
I am in no way confident in my memory here, but I vaguely recall seeing that command, and being somewhat surprised to not remember it from earlier. That confusion may have even contributed to pushing me to create the file.
Had I seen it, I probably would have tried the command and seen it not exist. Following the note of btrfs 6.1 being required, I would have checked the version and seen that my distro didn't have btrfs-progs 6.1, not even as an alpha on the development channel.
I may also have remembered there being multiple commands needed earlier, and not wanting to deviate from the proven method dismissed the apparently simpler method.

To complete this very meaningful and productive story, on 2022-12-23 my distro got the early christmas present of btrfs-progs 6.1 as an unstable release in the dev channel. After many retractions and republishings of a total of 4 subversions, on 2023-03-04 the first stable release of 6.1.x was made available.

I was 6 months early. Or rather the btrfs devs were 6 months late.

Edit (actually not edit because I didn't send yet):
I actually checked the repo and the documentation changed on dec 06. Here is the commit. The corresponding release occurred on dec 22.
Dumping 30mins into writing this actually resulted with a memorable story. By chance I stumbled over the documentation of a new feature, 2 days after it had been written, but 2 weeks before even the first alpha release containing it was created.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 71 points 9 months ago

You used something called disk destroyer, and you just found out why

[-] kbotc@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Disk Duplicator is a destroyer? Man, I used to image so many drives with DD back in my helpdesk days…

[-] AffineConnection@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

dd does not stand for "disk duplicator". That's a modern backronymization that doesn't reflect the original general usage of the command which is to "convert and copy". Efficiently (with respect to I/O) copying raw data is only one of its intended purposes; it also converts text encodings.

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[-] gareppa@programming.dev 61 points 9 months ago

It's called Disk Destroyer for a reason

[-] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 16 points 9 months ago
[-] 15liam20@feddit.uk 32 points 9 months ago
[-] einlander@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Same thing, we know it's a little floppy 💾

[-] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

Why is the save button floppy, I don’t understand!?!?

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[-] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 10 points 9 months ago

Disk Destroy December. Get to it folks!

[-] AffineConnection@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

You might as well call cp the same thing

cp source "`realpath destination`"
[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 52 points 9 months ago
[-] stjobe@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

That was an interesting read, thank you!

[-] Molten_Moron@lemmings.world 7 points 9 months ago

I haven't touched dd since I read that about a year ago, super interesting!

For people that use dd because they like the progress bar, I highly recommend pv.

[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Except the proposed alternative should not be cp or pv, but dd bs=4M oflag=direct,sync status=progress.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with all the advice in this thread, because for USB keys you will otherwise end up instantly filling the write cache... which will block the apparent progress of the copy operation (so why even use pv since all you're doing is measuring your RAM speed and available cache size) as well as heavily slow down (even potentially partially freeze in some circumstances) the rest of your system as the kernel is running out of free pages and can't flush caches fast enough due to the slow-ass write speeds of usb keys.

* (Alternatively there is a kernel setting somewhere to disable caching globally for a block device... but in most cases caching is good, just not when you're flashing an ISO).

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[-] backhdlp 49 points 9 months ago

Another advantage of having a NVMe SSD, hard to confuse /dev/nvme0n1p2 with /dev/sda1

[-] bzLem0n@lemmy.ca 16 points 9 months ago

It's even easier to prevent confusion if you use /dev/disk/by-id/ id's, it only took a few times of overwriting the wrong disk to figure that out.

[-] backhdlp 4 points 9 months ago

I think that does the opposite for me lol

[-] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

How can I figure out which direct device is associated with a specific id?

[-] backhdlp 6 points 9 months ago

They're symlinks, so you can just ls -l /dev/disk/by-id, and you can see what is what.

[-] Nithanim@programming.dev 6 points 9 months ago

Not sure if it is equal on all distros but on every one I have used it's a readable string of muliple components. One of them is "usb" for a usb mass storage, so if it is the only one you have connected to your computer it is very obvious. For like sata disks it has the manufacturer and serial on it so you can match what drive it is you want to write to. Also, the name is pretty unique (on your sysytem at least, globally I don't know), so even if you swap hardware around, you cannot write to the wrong storage if you got the right name. Like "sdb" can be reassigned, but the id is an id.

[-] problembasedperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

ˋblkidˋ or take a look around /dev, devices are symlinked to their various attributes.

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[-] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 7 points 9 months ago

I just make use of my paranoia, so I triple and quadruple check. Then get a coffee and quadruple check again. Never messed up once

[-] backhdlp 46 points 9 months ago

Fun fact: you can use cat image.iso > /dev/device and it (should) just works.

[-] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago

Yay, more ways to (accidentally) destroy my data!

[-] PoolloverNathan@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago

Or pv if you want a progress bar.

[-] AffineConnection@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Assuming /dev/device is not a symbolic link, you might as well

cp image.iso /dev/device
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[-] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 31 points 9 months ago

That's why it called dd: don't dare

[-] gunpachi@lemmings.world 22 points 9 months ago

I always use the status=progress argument.

[-] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

That ain't why that light isn't blinking.

[-] uis@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Because this USB stick doesn't have light

[-] foyrkopp@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Anyone who hits enter on a dd command without triple-checking it gets exactly what they deserve.

[-] Hupf@feddit.de 14 points 9 months ago

I always prefer the bulkier /dev/disk/by-id/ symlinks because of this

[-] hemmes@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Goofoyou, goofoyou!

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