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submitted 2 years ago by nxlemmy@lemmy.ml to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

The story and work of Gary Bowser is pretty badass and would make for an interesting ama and event on lemmy. Here’s a recent article on Gary Bowser https://torrentfreak.com/gary-bowser-how-a-1980s-hacker-became-nintendos-nemesis-decades-later-230702/

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[-] dsemy@vlemmy.net 133 points 2 years ago

Fuck Gary Bowser and Team Xecuter in general, he doesn’t deserve the punishment he got but I feel no sympathy for him.

Read up on how they stole GPL’d code from other Switch hackers for their closed source SX OS, and then had the fucking nerve to charge for it.

Piracy is one thing, but what they did hurt the Switch hacking scene, for their own profit.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago

Agreed. SOG did a video on him a few months ago.

[-] jtk@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't know, if I put out GPL software, I wouldn't give a fuck if it got used to fuck over Nintendo without following all the GPL nonsense. They took the legal risk of going up against Nintendo, I sure as hell didn't take any risk writing code. Them profiting a bit isn't the end of the world. No one was going to make any money staying within legal limits anyway, nothing was "stolen".

Edit: Just to be clear, all I know about Bowser is based on the parent comment. Maybe he's a bigger POS than the example given but, from that, doesn't seem like a major villain.

[-] CCL@links.hackliberty.org 10 points 2 years ago

If that's the case you probably wouldn't release GPL software, you'd find a more permissive license, perhaps apache?

[-] dsemy@vlemmy.net 6 points 2 years ago

SX OS has anti-piracy measures in place which literally brick your switch.

[-] TheBig2023Meltdown@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago

Isn't he basically screwed for the rest of his life though? Having to pay some of his wage to Nintendo

[-] 404CameranotFound@lemmy.fmhy.ml 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Most of his wage. 14.5 million docked from his paychecks for the rest of his life. There’s not much more info in how much will be docked from his pay, as in a percentage or flat cost

Edit: I read more into it. It’s 25-30% of his paycheck goes to Nintendo.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/04/bowser-free-from-prison-still-owes-nintendo-14-5m-for-switch-hacking/ See at the bottom

He will die owing Nintendo tens of millions of dollars. Fuck Nintendo

[-] solivine@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago

Honestly the fact the court allows that too...

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 28 points 2 years ago

So glad people got rid of slavery, right? US is disgusting with the corporation bootlicking.

[-] Cyberwitch_7493@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

that's not technically true, the 13th amendment only outlawed slavery if you haven't been convicted of a crime.

Edit: besides that technicality, I do agree.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah, but my point was that this is just slavery for everyone, only with a different name.

[-] Cyberwitch_7493@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I understood you correctly, but were you aware that American corporations including McDonald's, Target, Whole Foods, and Microsoft have been profiting heavily from US prison labor without the the legal requirement to compensate the laborers fairly, provide sick days, or provide decent working conditions? https://sites.law.berkeley.edu/sustainability-compliance/corporations-use-of-prison-labor/

Shit's fucked if/when you get convicted of a crime, whether your Gary or anyone else.

Edit: added context

[-] 404CameranotFound@lemmy.fmhy.ml 26 points 2 years ago

Because Nintendo lawyers ran circles around the court

Some other guy said something about costing Nintendo 65 million. I don’t buy that claim. They were still profitable as a company during that time, so it’s just a show of force to scare other script kiddies from fucking with Nintendo. Fuck em, emulated breath of the wild is better than on console anyway

[-] solivine@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

"Ran circles around the court" - a good court and legal system doesn't let that happen, it needs to be fixed.

[-] 404CameranotFound@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Very true. It should happen but it does unfortunately

[-] MaxMouseOCX@vlemmy.net 31 points 2 years ago

Regardless of your opinion of the guy, feel like financially fucking him into the ground for life shouldn't be a thing... Sure punishment is in order, but what he got is a financial life sentence - it doesn't feel right.

[-] Voli@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

We bringing serfdom back, baby!

[-] Hopalong@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Debtors prison is the logical next step.

[-] 404CameranotFound@lemmy.fmhy.ml 11 points 2 years ago

No. It doesn’t. I don’t think he should have been charged regardless, but that’s just me lol

[-] RolandTheJabberwocky@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

I mean it sucks but whats the alternative? Life in jail? He did those things and did cost them 65 million, I'm never one to defend corporations but he is a criminal and deserves some kind of punishment.

[-] solivine@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

Money is made up, I doubt his actions actually cost them 65 million. If they did - so what? Taking that out his wages will never get them that amount of money back, ever. That is a ludicrously large amount that will never be reached, they just want to ruin a person's life.

[-] TheCraiggers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 years ago

I don't agree with the punishment one bit.

But it was never about getting their money back. Instead they just wanted a life-ruining sentence and large number to give to the media to scare people into not fucking with Nintendo.

Nintendo knows they'll never see even one million of that 65. Hell, they'll probably never even make enough to cover the lawyer fees. They don't care as they're playing the long game. They're trying to prevent the next Bowser before it happens. Which won't work, but they'll never understand why.

[-] 404CameranotFound@lemmy.fmhy.ml 23 points 2 years ago

Sir, this is a piracy instance. Know your place

[-] GregorGizeh@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

You’re never one to defend corporations, except apparently when you do.

Ignoring the fact that not getting to make money Nintendo had wanted to make isn’t the same as losing money, how is this person ever supposed to pay that money back? They can’t reasonably expect to see that money ever. All they are doing here is literally financially ruin a man for the rest of his life, it is completely ridiculous such a sentence is even legally possible.

So they essentially won the right in court to keep a person poor for as long as they live. Because they lost out on projected income. Why can’t I sue the fuck out of someone because my projected income of a gorillion dollars isn’t actually coming in?

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[-] KairuByte@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Maybe not ensure he’s fucked for the rest of his life?…

[-] jtk@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 years ago

He didn't cost them 65 million. That's a pretend number made up by soulless lawyers. If people could actually do that much "damage" to corporations, we wouldn't be so beholden to their whims.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago

For an example, I used an emulator to play try Pokémon Arseus (however that's spelled). I had very little desire to play it in general, but I did want to see what they did with it. It was garbage. I never would have purchased it, especially since I would have had to purchase a Switch too. Did that "cost them money?" Absolutely not. They likely include that in the supposed cost though.

[-] Kissaki@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Wouldn't filing private bankruptcy solve this within 3 or 5 years?

[-] 404CameranotFound@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Pick your legal ass fucking: corporate or financial (bank)

[-] sponge9041@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Yeah. I wonder will it show up as Nintendo Tax on his payslip?

[-] idle@158436977.xyz 25 points 2 years ago

Being his last name is Bowser i thought i had to be a joke. This is wild.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And when the president of NOA's last name is Bowser, too, all sorts of fanciful scenarios are just coming to mind.

[-] ruk_n_rul@monyet.cc 1 points 2 years ago

It's nominative determinism. It's a real thing.

[-] Swictor@mander.xyz 24 points 2 years ago

They named their most iconic antagonist after him?

[-] anon@lemm.ee 38 points 2 years ago

The CEO of Nintendo of America is curiously also named Bowser. Seems they are going out of their way to find them.

[-] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago

No, they named him after the current president of Nintendo of America -- Doug Bowser.

This entire situation can be summed up as Bowser suing Bowser Jr. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Bowser

[-] DeJaVu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 years ago

Interesting story, and pretty sad at the end, the dude lost practically everything because of the fuckers at Nintendo. Heres his gofundme page if someone is interested in helping the guy out. https://www.gofundme.com/f/garyopa-restarting-his-life

[-] BraBraBra@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

I don't have too much sympathy for the guy. I mean if you're stupid enough to try and profit off of piracy that brazenly, that's what you get. If I know your real name you fucked up big time.

[-] Kissaki@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

If 30% of his paycheck goes to Nintendo, does that also apply to donations?

[-] GloopTamer@discuss.online 18 points 2 years ago

So long Gary bowser

[-] bergkoenig@lemmy.one 10 points 2 years ago
[-] DonDino@mujico.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

curses hetero mario in gay bowser as it flies away

[-] DeJaVu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago

Interesting story, and pretty sad at the end, the dude lost practically everything because of the fuckers at Nintendo. Heres his gofundme page if someone is interested in helping the guy out. https://www.gofundme.com/f/garyopa-restarting-his-life

[-] vertelleus@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Was changing his name to Bowser a part of the release?

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