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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 141 points 2 years ago

Once again: if paying for it isn't owning it, then not paying for it isn't stealing it.

[-] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 years ago

That's why the term piracy exists.

[-] smik@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 2 years ago

In German we say Raubkopie which translates to "robbery copy". It sounds metal but linguistically puts it right next to actual robbery which is kinda insane.

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[-] DreamySweet@ani.social 71 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I stopped supporting Sony when they took away access to games I purchased for my PSP. I will not purchase another Sony product until I can play Patapon on my PSP go without pirating it.

[-] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 22 points 2 years ago
[-] DreamySweet@ani.social 7 points 2 years ago

The song that drove my mother insane.

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[-] echo64@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

You can, the store is closed, you can still download games to it. It's easier to just pirate them, however

[-] DreamySweet@ani.social 10 points 2 years ago

I've tried, it didn't work. I have since moved on to emulation where I get a better experience.

Piracy is easy and so is not buying any of their new consoles. They don't have any games anyway so I'm not missing out.

[-] the16bitgamer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

If you have a PSP Street then Sony gave you the proverbial middle finger since both Media Go (PC Software to download and manage digital PSP games), and transferring games from PS3 to PSP doesn't work.

But if you have a PSP that can connect to WiFi you absolutely can still download PSP games. You just need to

  1. connect your PSP to WiFi a challenge in it of itself

  2. generate a Password for your account since Sony requires 2fa and PSP doesn't support 2fa. Its on your Sony Account settings somewhere from a browser.

  3. sign into your Sony account on your PSP

  4. goto account management

  5. select transaction management

  6. select downloads list

  7. select game you wanna download

Lots of guides out there for extracting PSP ISO or PS1 ISO from digital games on YouTube. Definitely worth looking into to preserve your collection

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[-] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 67 points 2 years ago

Sony has always treated its customers like absolute trash from the get go. As a kid, I had a stereo that ended up dying. They weaselled out of the warranty. Flash forward to my Sony headphones where one ear died and they did the same. Forward again to my Ericsson phone whose screen died due to “water damage” (the markers were triggered by a friend who worked in their repair department said all phones on high humidity zones were always triggered because back then phones weren’t even dust proof). They sent it back refusing to fix it.

Since then they have been on my embargo list. One of the worst companies for caring about their customers.

🖕

[-] people@kbin.social 56 points 2 years ago
[-] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah another stellar case in point to show Sony would rather you eat glass than have to do anything for you.

Let’s not forget the ridiculous court case against Geohotz for jail breaking the PS3. They pulled out every dirty tactic they could in that suit. Really showed their colours and how they actually “fight” in the court of law.

Scum of the earth.

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 13 points 2 years ago

My last straw was when they killed OtherOS on the PS3, which was very much part of my purchasing decision. Sure, it was kneecapped from the start (Linux still ran under the hypervisor, could not use the GPU, and was only given 6 Cell cores), but it was there. At least I got a $60 check from the class action settlement!

Bunch of cocksuckers. I have not purchased a Sony product since.

[-] princessnorah 8 points 2 years ago

You see, they wanted all the benefits of being able to use OtherOS in their marketing. But they didn’t want you to actually use it!

[-] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Basically. In Sony's case, they were clearly afraid of homebrew games, but I still can't imagine any other rationale than what you said for killing the feature, especially as neutered as it was. It definitely taught me a lesson about buying products that can't be kill switched after purchase. The US Air Force even built a cluster of 1700 PS3s that relied on this feature. I'm sure they weren't routable to the internet to get updates though.

[-] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 7 points 2 years ago

We never got those things here, everything was already pirated 😂.

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[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Years ago when I still bought music from Apple my entire library disappeared. I could log in, but nothing was there. I didn't bother with customer service, in an hour I had all my music back and it was mine.

[-] xilliah@beehaw.org 41 points 2 years ago

Wasn't it Sony that released an album that'd root your system? Bunch of criminals if you ask me.

[-] fox@beehaw.org 27 points 2 years ago
[-] xilliah@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago

Wow that's even worse than I thought. Especially that they included copyleft software.

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 37 points 2 years ago

Sony has always been an industry leader in consumer abuse.

[-] tio_bira@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

Nah, that would be Nintendo

[-] drunkensailor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago

TBF, he said "an" leader not "the" leader

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[-] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Good lord… you can point out how shitty Sony is for taking away purchased content without being sensationalist and claim this justifies piracy. Whoever wrote this sucks.

Edit: Oh god… It’s Rossman. Of course it’s dishonest.

[-] _danny@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

It kinda does add some validity to the argument. The seller can just take away a product without compensating you for it, in most situations we call that theft. If they are going to steal the content from you, morally I see no problem stealing it back.

It's of course still illegal, but I wouldn't say it's immoral in this situation.

[-] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

That’s the thing, though. I’m not denying that what they’re doing is wrong. They shouldn’t be able to do that. They should either be required to refund those purchases or they shouldn’t be allowed to remove them. Either way, that doesn’t justify piracy. This is just people who already are pirating finding a reason to justify it for themselves after the fact to make them feel better.

[-] _danny@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They should either be required to refund those purchases or they shouldn’t be allowed to remove them.

No disagreement there, but we live in a world where they absolutely can and will do this stuff and get away with it with no consequences. Until either of those two options you propose are reached, I see no moral issue with pirating ~~a game~~ content you paid for and can no longer play.

I'm not talking about the morality of a person who was already pirating it before, or pirate ~~games~~ videos not affected by this issue. Just a case where a person bought ~~a game~~ content from Sony, who then removed their purchase without compensation due to reasons beyond the terms and conditions the customer expected.

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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If Sony taking something away that you paid for isn't stealing, then neither is taking something that Sony doesn't lose.

[-] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I never said it wasn’t stealing. Nice straw man, though.

[-] dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 18 points 2 years ago

How is he dishonest? It's fine if you disagree with his opinions, but saying he's dishonest is very.... well.... dishonest :P

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[-] Thermal_shocked@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Rossman has become something weird lately. Just full of hate and not any real knowledge, kinda like the Alex Jones of "tech", just whine and scream into a camera for attention. I had to unsub and block his channel it was so toxic.

[-] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

He was always a bit dishonest. It’s just gotten to a breaking point.

[-] C4RP3_N0CT3M@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Since when is Rossman controversial? He simply stands on the side of consumer right-to-repair and ownership. Is anyone here against this?

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[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In my opinion the wrong thing is getting the focus because legally Sony nor WB stole from anyone in the legal sense. I know it is unethical, but unfortunately that is not a winning argument in the business or legal worlds. The winning thing to do here is popularize the notion that "buying" from these services is not really buying and no one should do it. While at the same time popularizing the idea that any content tied to such a model is not worth consuming.

By pirating it it is just proving there is some value in these products even with all of the BS the rights holders tie them down with. The message needs to be sent in a way executives and lawyers understand that when you make your product customer hostile to obtain legally you make that product effectively worthless and the customer will go elsewhere for their entertainment. Including DRM has to cost them more than they stand to lose from those that will pirate it anyway. Because money is all executives and lawyers understand.

This would also effectively create a demand for smaller projects not tied down with all of that DRM shit that maybe some enterprising people would start to fill.

[-] drunkensailor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

IMO Piracy is completely justified regardless...

But that said, wouldn't it be the content owner rather than Sony (who is a third party platform) who is to blame for justifying it in this particular case? (based on the iamge here which seems to imply that the content owner is the one pulling the content rather than sony itself).

Dn't get me wrong, not saying the situation is good. or that Sony is a good company. Only that they don't appear to be the ones instigating this move unless I am missing some other info. FWIW, I lost all hope in the idea of a pro-consumer way of doign streaming content ages ago and have been flying the black flag for years so I guess this just doesnt seem like aynthing new to me. I willntt even consiedr paying for netflix, prime, disnet, hbo, hulu, or whateve else. Maybe if they stop being greedy fuckwits and come up with a something fair for consumers I'll consider but until then, fuck the loto f them.

edit: fixed a tpyo

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