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submitted 11 months ago by Stamau123@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

One of the hostages, recently released from Gaza, revealed on Wednesday that he was held for nearly 50 days in an attic by a teacher from the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA).

The story was publicized on X by Channel 13 journalist Almog Boker.

The hostage also said that the teacher who held him captive was a father of 10 children. He had barely been provided food or medical attention, and was locked away by the teacher, he said.

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[-] Makfreeman@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

Jerusalem Post really looks like a moderate and balanced source of exemplary journalism. /s

[-] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 11 months ago

When you look up their history, it's pretty wild. The former owner was a conservative that was pardoned by Trump for embezzling millions of dollars from his company. And the current editor was involved in far-right politics before taking his position, which explains why they source some of their content from the New York Post. Not to be outdone, the current owner was investigated by police for allegedly giving Netanyahu positive coverage in exchange for legislation that would hurt a rival newspaper.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago
[-] JoeHill@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

...the hostage's statements after 8 weeks in captivity is not enough for you? What would satisfy you?

The claim isn't "Lasers shot out of his eyes" or something sensational. The claim is "My jailer was a teacher with 10 kids who is paid by the United Nations in his dayjob." Why does that statement require extraordinary levels of proof?

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

It's a opinion piece built on assumptions.

[-] JoeHill@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

That’s not an answer to my question: what evidence would satisfy you?

The testimony of a survivor is not an “opinion piece built on assumptions.” Would you say that a rape survivor’s account is an “opinion piece built on assumptions” if reported in the press?

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Ill wait for actual reporting to occur.

[-] JoeHill@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is actual reporting. It was reported by Almog Boker on Channel 13 in Israel. Or is “actual reporting” some kind of new Hamas dog-whistle?

[-] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 11 months ago

The former owner of this newspaper was in prison for embezzling millions of dollars from his company, until he was pardoned by Trump. The current owner was investigated for providing positive coverage to Netanyahu in exchange for passing legislation that would harm a rival paper. The current editor is connected to far-right political groups, which explains why they source some of their content from the New York Post. They've been criticized for writing false stories in the past, which they deleted when called out on by other governments.

Now, I'm sure none of that bothers you, but I'm posting this for other people for whom that sort of behavior isn't acceptable from a newspaper.

[-] JoeHill@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Newspaper is not the source. Almog Boker at Channel 13 is. Look at the original tweet.

But keep up the mental gymnastics to defend Hamas and the corrupt UNRWA.

In 2019, Channels 10 and 13 merged with Channel 10 shutting down and some of its programming and staff joining Channel 13. Now all that remain are Keshet 12 and Channel 13 (internal citations omitted). These channels are largely centrist and balanced in their coverage featuring both right and left-wing views in broadcast debate. While the content of their broadcasting may somewhat shift depending on factors such as if Israel is at war or if major protests are occurring, they generally maintain a neutral standing.

https://blogs.dickinson.edu/gelulaj/2019/04/02/the-political-leanings-of-israeli-media/

[-] greenmarty@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

World got sick like that. Some people even say Bin Ladin was cool guy and it was good thing to do 9/11 so I'm not surprised by counter reactions to within this thread disproving hostages testimony if they are not with the terrorists.

[-] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 13 points 11 months ago

you believe Hamas media statements without a second thought but direct testimony from one of the people literally to have been held captive by those cunts is what is a bridge too far? at least your ignorance is obvious

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

No, first reports are always wrong. Doesn't matter who it is.

[-] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 4 points 11 months ago

this is a stupidly idiotic thing to believe

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

It's the smartest way to approach news.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It’s a opinion piece built on assumptions.

It's neither classified nor labeled as an opinion piece. On jpost.com those have /opinion/ in the url. Example.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I see no names and a few paragraphs of a victims opinion of who they thought was there and where they thought they were.

The first reports are ALWAYS WRONG.

[-] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago
[-] honeyhunter 28 points 11 months ago

Seems the years long rumors of social organizations being infiltrated by jihadists are true. Explains reports of hamas rushing to hospitals with hostages, only for doctors to later say hamas was never there, as well

[-] JoeHill@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Interesting that posts where anti-Hamas views are upvoted get removed (the post that was just removed about 9-month old Kfir Bibas being killed in captivity), but the posts where anti-Hamas views get downvoted stay up. Funny that.

[-] Stamau123@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

I was just in that thread, pretty bullshit huh?

[-] JoeHill@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Wonder if it was the mods or the OP that deleted it.

[-] Stamau123@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

At any rate I'm posting it again

[-] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

If it gets removed again please report the mod to admins. he is clearly taking sides with his comments and while the first time he deleted the post could be a mistake. if he deletes it again it's clearly because he has an agenda and is censoring things that don't go along with it.

[-] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

i checked my own user in the modlog and it's clearly too late. I'm out of this antisemitic shithole.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Interesting that posts where anti-Hamas views are upvoted get removed (the post that was just removed about 9-month old Kfir Bibas being killed in captivity), but the posts where anti-Hamas views get downvoted stay up. Funny that.

The modlog says it was removed because of a violation of rule 1, (presumably the part about titles not matching.)

They are very similar. Replacing her name with her age warranted removal? I think that's a shame because there was a lot of good discussion going on there that is now lost.

Edit: It's still visible on kbin for the moment.

[-] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

While there are unconfirmed reports like school field trips to the tunnels the radicalization of gazan children is documented on videos where the teachers make them chant about killing jews.

[-] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Unrwa has been caught paying teachers to teach gazN children to hate israel. They had to fire 6-7 recently because they caught them on video.

[-] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Idk about you guys, but I'm willing to take Israeli state media at face value every day.

I mean, this is the paper owned by the guy who was investigated by police for giving positive coverage to Netanyahu in exchange for legislation that would hurt a rival newspaper. They seem very trustworthy to me.

[-] Stamau123@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Neither channel 13, nor Jerusalem Post, are Israeli State Media?

[-] TheMightyHUG@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

I'm perfectly ready to believe that among the many people who work for UNRWA, there are some with Hamas. However, UNRWA as an organization does not serve Hamas or their goals, and I'd need some damn good evidence to believe otherwise.

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