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[-] Voltage@slrpnk.net 521 points 10 months ago

The fuck?? Isn’t this anti competitive behaviour?

[-] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 335 points 10 months ago

In a previous generation, governments would go after this blatant anti competitive behaviour.

[-] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 223 points 10 months ago

I'm sure the EU will still.

[-] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 160 points 10 months ago

It’s just a shame that there’s really only one government organization globally that will still stand up to corporations.

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago

To be fair China will send you to a reeducation camp or disappear you if you try to act like a western billionaire.

[-] Sheeple@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago

China will make you disappear for many things including speaking up against the genocide of religious minorities ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[-] micka190@lemmy.world 136 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Some people are reporting it happens when your accounts get flagged by YouTube for blocking ads and that using a private browsing session can be used to bypass it, so it's possible this isn't a blanket thing?

Either way, they can go fuck themselves.

If you're on Firefox and using uBlock Origin (which you should), you can add the following to your filters list to essentially disable the delay:

! Bypass 5 seconds delay added by YouTube
www.youtube.com##+js(nano-stb, resolve(1), 5000, 0.001)

It doesn't fully disable it, just makes it almost instant, because Google has been doing shit like looking at what gets blocked to combat ad blockers recently.

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[-] vxx@lemmy.world 57 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Do you want to hear about the Microsoft "bug" that affected Firefox that was only recently fixed after 5+ years of getting reported?

Corporations really hate non-profit products that are superior.

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[-] scholar@lemmy.world 377 points 10 months ago

It's bizarre how blatent this is. Google has so much power over web standards that Mozilla have to work really hard to make firefox work, but YouTube don't bother being subtle or clever and just write 'if Firefox, get stuffed' in plain text for everyone to see.

[-] ares35@kbin.social 132 points 10 months ago

this isn't much different than when microsoft added code specifically to break windows 3.1 when run under dr-dos instead of their own ms-dos. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 73 points 10 months ago

And it cost them 280 million in the 90s ouch

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[-] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 70 points 10 months ago

Google has been doing this kind of thing for a while. If you try to use Google Meet in Firefox, you can’t use things like background blurring. Spoofing Chrome works in that situation as well.

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[-] Rinox@feddit.it 285 points 10 months ago
[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 136 points 10 months ago

So this is part of a larger adblock checker, if the ad doesn't load within 5 seconds, it fails and triggers the adblocker warning. Since the ad should load in 3, they've set it for 5. If you have ubo, you won't see the warning that it then wants to pop up, it just seems (and is) a 5 second delay. Changing the UA probably removes this from Firefox because then the clientside scripts will attempt to use builtin Chrome functions that wouldn't need this hacky script to detect the adblock. Since they don't exist, it just carries on.

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[-] Meltrax@lemmy.world 103 points 10 months ago

This is some ultimate scumbaggery.

[-] filcuk@lemmy.zip 93 points 10 months ago

This should be illegal, Firefox being their competition (tangentially)

[-] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago
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[-] squirrelwithnut@lemmy.world 257 points 10 months ago

This is why net neutrality is important. To prevent bullshit like this from happening.

[-] eltrain123@lemmy.world 120 points 10 months ago

This is literally why net neutrality needs to be regulated. Corporations will artificially make problems to induce additional earnings.

Super scummy, anti-customer behavior.

[-] steltek@lemm.ee 52 points 10 months ago

That's not what net neutrality is about. NN is about carriers and ISPs treating all services and websites equally. Don't feature creep NN. It weakens the arguments for why why we need NN.

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[-] PrairieRanger@lemmy.world 208 points 10 months ago

I wonder how long it'll be before google gets sued for their anti-competitive behavior.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 115 points 10 months ago

Oh I imagine the papers are being filed as we speak, because this is blatantly illegal.

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[-] a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 174 points 10 months ago

That's an antitrust case if ever I saw one.

[-] bruhduh@lemmy.world 57 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

EU be like: aw shit here we go again

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[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 133 points 10 months ago

It could literally be a minute wait & I still wouldn't use Chrome.

[-] ericisshort@lemmy.world 72 points 10 months ago

Google heard you and have increased the Firefox delay to 1m 30s. Would you please consider using Chrome now please?

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago

Best I can do is boycott YouTube.

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[-] pastaPersona@lemmy.world 117 points 10 months ago

Sometimes I get curious about chromium based browsers and consider giving them a shot for a while.

Then Google does shit like this and I keep mainlining Firefox out of spite. Half the reasons people experience “issues” with Firefox are just dumb garbage like this (see sites / web content being developed with Chrome-based in mind)

[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 59 points 10 months ago

the website DRM thing is one of the most blackpilled and evil uses of technology i've ever seen

the people in charge of developing that should be put in a padded room and never allowed to see sunlight again. fucking god.

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[-] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 107 points 10 months ago

Google has been doing this kind of thing for years, to strangle their competition. For example, back when Windows Phone existed, Google went deliberately out of their way to cripple youTube, and maps. Apparently google will do anything they can to create lock-in and faux loyalty.

Google are completely evil. Here we're talking about them using their popular products as weapons against competitors in unrelated areas. But also have a history of copying products made by others then using advertising strength to promote their version over the original. And if that somehow doesn't work... they buy out the competitors. Both youTube and google maps are examples of this.

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[-] Nougat@kbin.social 89 points 10 months ago

Wow, and it's literally just "If you're using Firefox, wait five seconds."

[-] baked_tea@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago

Elon moment

[-] dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 83 points 10 months ago

Let's remember, fellas, that big tech is not a disease that needs to be eradicated. Let us not forget that Google is a legitimate corporation, not merely a group of professional stalkers. And let's be clear: obviously you are the crazy ones for worrying about this, naturally...

Pardon my jest; I was merely echoing the absurdities often heard.

Maybe just maybe it's time we stop with this garbage and actually stop using their services. Nothing will change if we keep using their services.

The most direct and effective strategy to inspire reform in their practices is to stop using of their platforms. Each time we use a service from Google or any similar big tech entity, we inadvertently endorse their methods.

YOU hold the power to change them by using FOSS alternatives instead.

[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 50 points 10 months ago

The most direct and effective strategy to inspire reform in their practices is to stop using of their platforms.

The whole "the free market could fix it" is just neoliberal bullshit. The most hated companies in the world continue to bring in record profits and its not because people prefer their chocolate is harvested by child slaves.

They're fully aware that it never works, but they just keep suggesting it over and over again, growing richer with successive failure, all the while blaming consumers for not preventing them doing sleazy, greedy things.

The actual most direct and effective strategy is regulations. That's why they hate them and why there are so many of them in politics.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 81 points 10 months ago

"Do no evil^1^"

^1^ unless we can make money from it.

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[-] rdri@lemmy.world 77 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Did someone actually investigate and find the exact place in scripts where this logic takes place?

EDIT: Yes. https://www.androidauthority.com/youtube-reportedly-slowing-down-videos-firefox-3387206/

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[-] Delta_V@midwest.social 71 points 10 months ago

Adding this to your uBlock Origin filters also makes the problem go away:

www.youtube.com##+js(nano-stb, resolve(1), *, 0.001)

[-] Tetra@kbin.social 62 points 10 months ago

I've noticed that too, I just switch to Freetube when it happens.
Simply disgusting, but it's business as usual for Google.

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[-] victorz@lemmy.world 58 points 10 months ago

Not noticing this change from the EU... Guess they're too afraid of pulling that shit here?

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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 52 points 10 months ago

imagine sitting down to code this and thinking you're doing the right thing

you should be able to whisteblow clearly evil technology and have some sort of economic safety net

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[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 50 points 10 months ago

Gmail is almost painfully slow on my PC (I use Adblock on Firefox). Does anyone else experience this?

And, yes, I know Gmail is very bad, you're preaching to the choir. I am in the midst of switching over.

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[-] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 49 points 10 months ago

Did this dude really just link a Reddit post?

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[-] Wes_Dev@lemmy.ml 48 points 10 months ago

Bet it's done in such a way that they can claim "We're just optimizing for Chrome, not slowing down any competitors. It's not our fault our competitors don't using our web engine for their browsers."

I mentioned similar shading behavior on another post, when using Firefox with Chrome or native user agents on the plain old Google search page.

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[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 48 points 10 months ago

I really hope they try this in the EU. The EU regulatory agencies have been on a roll lately.

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[-] badbytes@lemmy.world 44 points 10 months ago

Yeah, user agent switch to chrome made YouTube vid instantly load. Real shitty google!

[-] nfsu2@feddit.cl 42 points 10 months ago

They are really the worst scumbags ever. They want world domination.

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[-] MurdoMaclachlan@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago

Ah, I was wondering why YouTube was taking so long to load recently. I thought it was just because their code was shit, and it turns out I was right, but not in the way I thought.

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