These fears over population collapse are the weirdest form of mass hysteria I've ever seen.
Not an expert on this at all but I feel like it's less of "the human race is going to die out" vs the owner class needs cheap labor and bodies for war to continue infinite growth.
My running theory is in the United States, Republican's obsession with abortion is tied to the fact they need poor and broken families to pump out kids for future cheap labor and the prison industrial complex to make a nation function moving forward. That and the gray sunami of a upside down pyramid with not enough young to take care of the older generations (I think Japan and China are experiencing this currently).
Well in Russia it's about replacing all the kids and men dying in Ukraine. The Russian losses are staggering and Russia is basically throwing their people into a meat grinder.
If only a fraction of a percent are coming home "after the war" Russia is in big big trouble regardless of population growth or shrinkage due to other causes.
In the USA I'd agree it's about cheap labor. They don't want to let the Mexicans in too so gotta keep those white babies flowing.
Are you a hammer? Because I think you just nailed it.
Politicians have straight up said it’s a reason they are against abortion…
The data follows: https://www.epi.org/publication/economics-of-abortion-bans/
Not from the perspective of someone whose only strength in the war in Ukraine is the number of people.
Rape will become a patriotic duty
Pretty sure it’s already considered one if you’re in the Russian army in Ukraine.
A member of the Russian State Duma has proposed releasing women convicted of minor charges from prisons so they can conceive
Did anyone even read the article?
Shithole country
Did you mean Russia, because the Republicans in the US seem to be marching to the very same tune?
They have the same boss.
Let's play Russian Bot or Brainwashed Citizen
Mode: Lemmy (10/10 Difficulty)
That reminds me. Anyone here ever hear about the bureaucratized rape in West Virginia coal mining camps back in the day? If a man was injured and couldn't work his wife could take "Esau scrip" which she would have to pay back with her body. Capitalism! The entire situation is a stark reminder that capitalists wil LITERALLY rape and murder you to protect their position.
Somehow that topic didn't come up in 7th grade WV History class. Going to have to dig into that as it would make a great post.
Edit: JFC, I had no idea this happened. And I live here and have toured the Whipple Company Store (again, in 7th grade).
https://wvpublic.org/what-was-the-esau-scrip/
“We’ve had multitudes of women and tell us as little girls they remember their mothers coming to the company store and one of the things that a lot of more the lovely ladies had to do was come upstairs. Some of the young girls had the stories shared by their mothers stating that they would be escorted in the shoe room. There would be a selected guard that would be waiting for them and they would receive a brand new pair of shoes with no accountability other than to perform whatever the service the guard wished to have in lieu of pay. We had one woman in particular share with us that her mother was a young girl about 25 years old and bought her first pair of shoes here and the women’s entire life those shoes remained in the shoe box on her closet shelf never to be worn and she refused to wear another pair of shoes her entire life. She made her shoes out of cardboard, newspapers and twine.”
- Joy Lynn, owner and tour guide, Whipple Company Store
Damn. I don't even know what to say. That's so fucked up...
Thank you for sharing a source. I should have done that.
No. Wtf.
Yeah, they don't teach a lot of things in school. I only know about it because of BtB. The whole episode on The Battle of Blair Mountain is nuts and shows how far the owner class will go to keep people in line.
Yeah, they don't teach a lot of things in school
And current politicians are making it so many other important topics aren't being taught.
I'm looking at you Florida and Texas...
Here's a crazy idea to make your population grow: how about not sending your people to die in a war?
nah, prison baby factories and lower the conscription age
also, not having babies is now illegal
Our species is totally on a brink of extinction.
No. It'd be very difficult to actually have humans go extinct. Bad things will happen, but extinction would require a Children of Men level situation.
Ah. Coming to a ‘Murica near you soon.
Putlers Youth to a theater near you, coming soon. Fuck that guy!
This sounds much easier than creating a society where people feel happy and secure enough to have families. I wonder when 45 will add this to his campaign checklist.
Russian rape factories.
A member of the Russian State Duma has proposed releasing women convicted of minor charges from prisons so they can conceive
Can you people at least read the article?
Seriously, this is one of the biggest things that we do not need to come over from Reddit.
Never thought that Russia would become the Republic of Gilead, but I suppose they want to excel at something.
The plans included funding for new mothers and not just "maternity capital" for families with two or more children, in addition to welfare benefits for low-income families and free school meals for a four-year period.
Hey regressives! You love Russia so much, why don’t we follow their example?
'Fall rather than decrease' wtf? And it's a good thing for there to be less people, there are too many in the world anyway.
The fantasy of infinite growth seems to include people as well to capitalists, and as I already mentioned, it's a fantasy.
Nah there's plenty of resources to go around. Rampant consumerism is the problem.
There's not plenty of resources to go around.
I think they're trying to say there would be if it wasn't for consumerism.
Yes, but there wouldn't.
Not saying this about you specifically cause the other person did it too but I miss when the internet sourced claims instead of just being like “no that’s wrong” with zero elaboration or evidence. Very few people are convinced by “nah not true” and nothing else
Well, you are right. And I agree. Although in my defence, he made the initial claim without further evidence.
Anywho, the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), an agency operating under the UN, has done plenty of research and published papers about this.
The conundrum lies in that while we need more effective food production, we also want everything to be grown naturally (without fertilizer and/or free range livestock etc.), which is ineffective.
We need more land for crops and animals to feed more people, but we also need more space to house those same people, meanwhile we cannot continue deforestation.
On top of those, soil needs time to replenish all the nutrients. If it's not given that opportunity, it WILL become permanently unusable.
There's simply too many conflicting wants and needs that are strictly incompatible.
We currently produce more than enough food and clothes for every person on this planet and could easily house them all.
The problem is that because of capitalism we can't get what everyone needs to them because it might hurt someone's profits.
Glad to see that the long-lasting tradition of Reddit to only read the clickbait title is still alive here too.
Instead of reddit you can just say people.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A member of the Russian State Duma has proposed releasing women convicted of minor charges from prisons so they can conceive, part of an effort to boost the country's low birthrate amid a period of high mortality.
Julia Davis, journalist and creator of the Russian Media Monitor, posted a photo Thursday on X (formerly Twitter) showing a billboard featuring a split image of a baby in the womb on one side and a young child wearing military fatigues and saluting.
In a piece published Thursday by The Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA), Davis documented how Russia's population dwindled by about 997,000 people between October 2020 and September 2021—its largest ever peacetime decline.
She also noted that the Kremlin has attempted to combat the population decrease by forcibly bringing in Ukrainian refugees, women and some 700,000 children—of which war crime warrants were issued by the International Criminal Court (ICC) against Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova, commissioner for Children's Rights in the Office of the President of the Russian Federation.
The foundation, which has allegedly received grants and funding directly from the Kremlin, also openly instructs its volunteers to employ "manipulation" and deceit when talking with pregnant women.
Dasha Yakovleva, co-founder of the Feminitive Community women's group, told the Associated Press last month that a public protest involving 60 or so pro-choice advocates at a bookstore in Kaliningrad was meant to send a message to Putin and his ilk about attempts to ban abortions in private clinics.
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