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[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 162 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They talk about a few causes, but this is the gist of it for anyone who doesn't want to click:

Researchers cited the pandemic as the biggest factor in the widening gender gap; it took a heavier toll on men. Unintentional injuries and poisonings (mostly drug overdoses), accidents and suicide were other contributors.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

That's because in addition to the disinformation, many men also have to do the macho thing: https://youtu.be/1chYhsp3NRw

[-] mriormro@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

I forgot that suicide was super macho.

[-] Nepenthe@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I warned my ex to be safe when the biology of it was just beginning to be understood back in March/April 2020, and his exact response was, "It's not like I'm going to die." He says, occupying every high risk category except "immunocompromised."

So yeah, apparently.

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[-] kautau@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Fuck Joe Rogan. At some level I want to say “if you are really going to take advice from Joe Rogan and other idiots online, Darwin will just be checking off posthumous boxes,” but I’ve seen too many family members be trapped and warped by social media into believing garbage that I realize it’s the fault of the system. People have always profited off of needless human death, it’s way worse though when it’s a podcaster spewing garbage.

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[-] BrightCandle@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Still is, men are still dying more from Covid and in excess deaths from related conditions that are elevated like heart attacks and strokes.

The declining cd4 and cd8 cell counts however will strike men and women equally over time.

[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago

There are also studies that show men are less likely to got to a doctor or they go to late. In part that is because most male bodies tend to take longer before heavy symptoms are coming up but then they progress faster.

It has something to do with differences in immune system of men and women. When for example a man and a woman are infected with the same amount of viruses the women's immune system will react faster so she gets symptoms earlier and goes to the doctor earlier as well. The man won't have any symptoms but then the infection will suddenly progress fast when a critical amount of viruses is reached.

It's of course more complex and there are tons of studies about it, but I think that's something to keep in mind "in practice".

This comes on top of the gender stereotypes which make some men shun the doctor.

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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 135 points 1 year ago

i wonder if this is correlated with the loneliness increase / the loneliness gap. if you're a guy, lonely, prone to depression, in a crumbling post-capitalist society that's getting more malignant by the day....how much will to live can you have

[-] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 34 points 1 year ago

Nah, the older men I know either won't go to a doctor because they didn't need them when they were younger, are scared of them, can man up through whatever pain they have, whatever. These are folks with Medicare, so at least access to doctors. These are all married men with kids. They don't go until they're literally forced to and by then, it's already too late and they just die.

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[-] bitchwhore@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

quick question, how is this any different for women?

[-] SkyeStarfall 68 points 1 year ago

It's less acceptable for men to open up, it's one of the toxic masculinity traits that harms men the most.

[-] MajesticSloth@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I think as men get older, we also tend to have less close friends than women. Or at least it sure seems to be that way for many. Saw it with my dad before we lost him last year. I see it with my brother and myself. It has brought me and my brother somewhat closer in that we text and talk more than we used to despite not living close and being pretty different personalizes.

I have a few close friends, but not male ones. I had to stop working at a young age and I feel that is when I stopped having a connection to any sort of male bonding.

But I agree, that it still seems unacceptable to open up, share feelings, and be vulnerable as a man. Probably why I have mostly had women as close friends most of my adult life.

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[-] cynar@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Men and women seem to make friends differently. Men have more of a tendency to make friends through work. The change in work culture can cause these to collapse more easily. It's particularly harsh at retirement. They not only lose their day-to-day reason to go on, but the friendship net that should help them.

By comparison, women tend to make friends independently of work. This makes their friendships more tolerant to changing jobs, or leaving work. Women also seem to be better at maintaining friendships at a distance.

Lastly, there is the (slightly controversial) glass floor. It's the inverse of the glass ceiling. Both men and women have a bias to help women in distress over men. This makes it a lot more likely that someone will step in to help, before the downward spiral gets too deep. This is partially why men make up a large proportion of the homeless.

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[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It isn't. When you look at studies they reveal that loneliness is very prevalent in multiple groups of people and in general. In some studies older women are the most lonely group.

Gender and Age Differences in Loneliness: Evidence for People without and with Disabilities

Gender Differences in Loneliness Over Time: A 15-Year Longitudinal Study of Men and Women in the Second Part of Life

There is much activity by anti-feminists in particular to push the narrative that men are the most lonely group and that of course the reason are women. This is heavily pushed by media because people seemingly like that idea more than that gender stereotypes targeting men are potentially more at fault.

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[-] Rottcodd@kbin.social 99 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ironic that the thread is about men dying on average younger than women, and the majority of the responses are people completely ignoring that fact and instead just taking an opportunity to negatively stereotype men so they can shit on them collectively.

[-] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago

Are we in the same thread? Feel like I'm missing that going on

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[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 89 points 1 year ago

That’s fine. My job as a man is to die first. Is that toxic masculinity? Yes. Is it stupid? Also yes. But I’d rather die on my lawnmower than acknowledge feelings. I will go out 6 years early like a man.

[-] ___@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

I will work 12hr days and sacrifice my health for my family. Toxic maybe, but my duty as a man.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll eat that 12oz sirloin and wash it down with beer and whiskey every night. Just so someone doesn't call me gay. Doesn't matter how many dudes I fuck in the ass!

Get that umbrella away from me faaaag.

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[-] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 66 points 1 year ago

The fact that so many men are dying young should be it's own issue, full stop. There is no reason to try to start a competition over it, or to try to force the topic to change to something else. This IS important, and it should be treated as such. Gain some empathy.

Did women get the rights to vote and wear pants just because they secretly wanted to? No. They fought against the standards of the time, and they had support from other groups. They didn't have that support just because of their genetics, but also because other people had some goddamned empathy. We need to move past the "fuck you, I got mine" as a society if we EVER want things to be good overall. Nothing really excludes you from doing that, at least not if you actually care about others. I don't even really care if someone has a damned disco ball down there, it's horrible that people feel the NEED to live in a way that cuts their life short.

If you hear that a large group of people is dying young, the correct response is to figure out why, and solve it. The correct response is not to turn it into a competition or to blame the people who died so young. The correct response is to try to find a solution, and to possibly literally save lives. You are a bad person if you are happily ok with this going on. If you hate half of the population so badly that you don't care about their death, you have no business telling that population how to live or how to be happy.

It's tragic really. Imo, this is yet another situation where tradition and societal pressures kill people. Don't be miserable to try to make dead people happy. Dead people who cared so little, that they didn't put anything in place to help you in the future. Dead people who only cared about what they personally experienced during their time on earth. Dead people who had a very large hand in causing most of the pain that these people are feeling today.

Dudes reading this, I know it might be difficult depending on where you are, but please check up on your friends. Don't tease them when they open up about serious things, and please listen to them talking about things they love. Change starts with you, and it starts with me. We can make a new future, and we don't have to keep trying to please the people who will never see it.

Try to not be too hard on yourself, you're probably doing the best that you can. Your best might "look like" 20% one day, and 80% the next, but it will still be YOUR 100%. You are only human, and no one is perfect. Please keep up the hobbies that you love, and always look towards better and brighter things. Some days that might be looking forwards to Friday, and other days that might be discovering a new passion. Love unconditionally, and build yourself and others up relentlessly. The odds that you specifically exist are so miniscule that it could almost be considered a miracle.

Even if it might not feel like it today, you are important. You have value. No one else out there has your exact combination of attributes, and only you can fill that role. Even if you're in your 50's, you can still pursue your passions and dreams. Many of the people who poop on your ambitions are people who regret not fulfilling their own. Don't listen to angry people for live advice, as their methods are the best way to stay angry.

Please keep doing your best, and best wishes to y'all. It's tough out there and I can't imagine how tough it would feel to go at it alone. Strive for a better tomorrow, and never give up. Giving up is the only way to guarantee that this continues.

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[-] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

Has anybody considered that maybe we don't want to live longer?

My entire life, I feel like my only value as a person has been to provide financial benefit to others. There is no passion. There is only obligation.

I've met those obligations. Those obligations required a whole lot of struggle and doing whatever was necessary with no regard to my physical or mental well-being. If at any time I tried to take pause and do something for myself, I was considered loathsome and..favorite zeitgeist buzzword, toxic. Only when I returned to giving all of myself to others was there any tolerance of my existence.

Now in my fifties, I'm tired. I don't mean I'm I need a nap tired. I mean it at an existential level.

I refuse to spend my remaining years in doctors offices as they systemically extract every remaining dollar I've got while telling me I'm a terrible person for not living a perfectly physical life. I'll choose the early exit and a nice clean estate to leave to my daughter.

When my time comes, I will go quietly into that cold dark void, and I will do so enthusiastically. I see no value in prolonging the inevitable merely for the benefit of others. Let me have this one small thing

[-] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I'm so sorry to read this. It must be ok to do stuff for yourself, anybody that tells you no is the one being toxic. As they say in fight club, you are not defined by your job. Especially in this time of AI and extreme automation, we must normalise that not having a job, or not living for your job, doesn't mean you are worthless. This is valid for women as well, btw.

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[-] the_q@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Oh good. Another article about men struggling with X. This certainly means that help is coming, right? Right guys?

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[-] caron@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 year ago

Yes, but what about those women who have to lose their husbands and sons? They are the real victims.

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[-] moistclump@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

I’m a bit concerned about using the “gender gap” term. As in, I wonder if it’s going to get adopted by misogynists to pit women’s suffering (gender pay gap) against men’s suffering (gender lifespan gap).

[-] mriormro@lemmy.world 110 points 1 year ago

It is certainly telling that your first reaction isn't about the real subject of the study.

[-] moistclump@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

Maybe you’re right, I’m sorry. It was just a first thought, and I’m trying to put thoughts out there on Lemmy less sensors to get convos going. Maybe this was an inappropriate one though and I can certainly choose better choices moving forward!

[-] 520@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

No worries. If you spend your life worrying what dickheads will think, you won't make any societal progress.

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[-] hightrix@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

Even comparing the two issues that you brought up is ridiculous to me. Issue 1, women make slightly less in some situations for some jobs. Issue 2, men die earlier than women. These two issues are not even in the same realm of seriousness and urgency to solve.

I’d stop worrying about misogyny and start with some reflection on your own misandrist values.

Fucking hell, this pisses me off.

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[-] robocall@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

I wish the men in my life would visit a doctor, get an annual check up, and take more preventative measures protecting their health.

[-] specfreq@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago
[-] redballooon@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Only in the US.

oh.

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[-] schwim@reddthat.com 24 points 1 year ago

Modern problems require modern solutions. Identify as female.

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