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iOS 17.2 hints at Apple moving towards letting users sideload apps from outside the App Store::undefined

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[-] madsen@lemmy.world 107 points 1 year ago

Great. I'm looking forward to hearing all the Apple zealots change their tune on side-loading from "iOS is more secure because it doesn't allow side-loading " to "side-loading is amazing, I'm so glad Apple invented it!"

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

I’ve had iPhones for 15 years now. I’ve wanted side loading the entire time. It’ll be nice if I can do that without jailbreaking, but I won’t be holding my breath.

[-] eee@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

This is probably the main reason why I don't use an iphone. I was surprised I had to jailbreak for such a simple functionality when I first got my iphone 4. That was my first and last iphone.

[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 17 points 1 year ago

Where were you when I was arguing with some dude on Reddit about how people "buy iPhones specifically because they can't sideload" 🙃

Like no, there are lots of genuinely good reasons to buy an iPhone... This is not one

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Thank you Tim Apple for freeing me from choice just because the same people that send gift cards to the “IRS” would likely install 85 safari toolbars if sideloading was enabled.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Why not just get an Android phone instead of encouraging the company that doesn't want you to do what you want?

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I’ve used Android devices before and just didn’t like them as much.

[-] VictorsPineal 4 points 1 year ago

You can already sideload by using AltStore. There is some drawbacks but it’s worth it

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No no, they will say that apple does it the right way. Instead of downloading and installing a file like a peasant, you will do it through x-code, using your paid developer account only available on Apple hardware. And of course with massive limitations that apps from the app store don't have.

I'm only half joking, I really expect Apple to make it the most miserable experience, to them say "well, nobody is doing it!"

[-] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 1 year ago

man i wish side-loading was real

[-] jasep@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

For everyone rejoicing in this thread, there's no way Apple will allow this outside the EU. From the article:

We also found references to a region lock in this API, which suggests that Apple could restrict it to specific countries. This wouldn’t make sense for MDM solutions, but it does make sense for enabling sideloading in particular countries only when required by authorities – such as in the European Union.

I want side loading as much as the next guy, but Apple will only do the bare minimum to appease the EU regulations. Suck for those of us outside the EU.

[-] maxprime@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Yeah, software is way easier to manage over borders than hardware - they already do that with their different App Stores. The comparison to USBC isn’t valid.

However, I wonder if it would be easy enough to trick your device into thinking it’s somewhere else. Recently had to download an app from the US App Store (I am Canadian) and all it took was creating a new account and declaring my country as USA. If it was that easy, I’m sure plenty of people would be happy enough making an alt Apple ID for side loading.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago

I’m sure plenty of people would be happy enough making an alt Apple ID for side loading.

Except you can't just spin up an alt account on virtually any service anymore. I know because I always try to create anonymous accounts. These companies want your data and they need an identity to link it to, not to mention preventing bot spam. They will always want to at the very least verify your phone number via SMS, and they can detect if you're using VoIP now. And even if you could, AAALLLLLL your data and settings would be left on the other account.

[-] Resol@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Just move to the EU and you won't have that problem.

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[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 27 points 1 year ago
[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago

How about F-apple (read without the "-") ;)
Would be kinda funny though

[-] MDZA@feddit.uk 26 points 1 year ago

As a current iPhone owner the one thing I miss about android is how easy it was to install apps from outside the play store.

Maybe we will get a better web browser one day!

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Firefox isn't available for iPhone ?

[-] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 1 year ago

It is, but apple forces all browsers to be reskinned safari under the hood

[-] thechadwick@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Only safari (webkit} shells. There's been rumors of apple preparing to open up that requirement for appstore approval, but hasn't happened yet as far as I know.

Honestly that, and not being able to side load, are the only things holding me from switching. Yes I could get a pixel and install graphene OS on it, but I don't have time for that anymore and I just want a simple solution that gets support out of the box, and allows me to run the apps I want.

[-] hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not going so far as to say I'd switch -- but I'd certainly get an iPhone and give it a try if it had sideloading/other app stores allowed (which in turn would allow other browser engines, since that's a store limitation). Would love to see an F-Droid equivalent for iOS start up.

[-] Yavandril@programming.dev 21 points 1 year ago

This will be huge. I wonder if this way we could also get non-WebKit browser on iOS someday.

[-] nyankas@feddit.de 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, we will. This was also specifically demanded by the EU and has to be implemented by March 6th 2024.

It’s being said that Google and Mozilla already have iOS-versions of Chrome and Firefox ready for this.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago
[-] philoko@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Yes, all browsers on iOS are

[-] atomWood@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago
[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago

Huh, interesting! (also 👎)

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[-] chloyster 14 points 1 year ago

Really hope it won't be just in the EU but it seems likely to be that way :/

[-] Savaran@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Time to switch to buying my upgrades when I visit family in Europe.

[-] onlinepersona@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago

Thank you EU 🇪🇺

[-] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If sideloading happen I will buy a spanking new iPhone 15 Pro. It’s the one big thing that is missing that Android has

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[-] M500@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Finally! I have been interesting in developing some apps for personal use, but I don’t want to pay a developer fee and go through the App Store. It’s so much hassle.

[-] June@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Getting ahead of the court order I presume.

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[-] spez@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago
[-] windowsphoneguy@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just give me a N64 emu and an Arduino IDE

[-] SmokumJoe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I remember when that was just how it was.

[-] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, the fabled year of two thousand and didn't happen.

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