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[-] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Majority Report had an excellent interview with this author Brian Merchant who wrote the book "Blood in the Machine" about the luddites. It is quite interesting that luddites were not against technology, they were against the owner class using machines to replace skilled workers with unskilled workers using mechanized systems for lower pay and taking all the profits.

The interview went for nearly an hour but is worth a watch. It starts at the 30 min mark. https://www.youtube.com/live/SOsFm5H_M3w?si=KNxbkNnziDdh0l7V

[-] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are also two rather excellent podcast episodes about luddites and the book, one by 99 percent invisible that discusses more about the concept in general and another by Cautionary Tales that is focused on the luddites and what they did.

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[-] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The interviews on The Majority Report are so good and in depth.

I always feel bad when I tune them out while working. I can't help that I do that. Sucks.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Time them out? What does this mean?

[-] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

I meant "tune". Edited above. Phone autocorrect.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Cool! Thanks.

[-] pezhore@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

They probably meant to say tune out.

[-] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

I listen to them at work the night after. I'll be listening to Fridays show tonight.

[-] Franzia 70 points 1 year ago

Alright fine, I'll be a Luddite now. Every time we 'upgrade' or 'make progress' it is really about controling the working class and circumventing a previous business model. Capital pays more and more for the inputs: fuel and technology, in order to justify their control. And then once they have it, they use progress to justify poor labor protections. They never use the predicted best solution, or even a compromise, they use the solution that offers them more power.

[-] huginn@feddit.it 51 points 1 year ago

Don't be a Luddite: be a socialist.

Because the entire problem with luddites is blaming the wrong cause.

Automation of menial labor is the best possible thing that can happen to humanity, and to the humans working those jobs.

Except our system is so fucked that "no job" = "go die on the streets you worthless layabout"

Every job lost to automation should be celebrated by a socialist society, as it means more of us are moving up Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

[-] ayaya@lemdro.id 17 points 1 year ago

That's how I've felt for a long time. What a stupid world we've built where reducing the number of jobs is considered a bad thing.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

And yet the only thing political parties across nations can agree on is they want more jobs.

[-] CalicoJack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago

You can be both, and a lot of us are. A Luddite wouldn't be opposed to the automation of jobs in a socialist society, nobody is being exploited in that case.

We question and oppose the tech right now because that isn't the society we live in. It isn't really about the tech at all, it's about who controls it and how they're using it.

[-] huginn@feddit.it 8 points 1 year ago

Luddites do not offer solutions: Socialists do.

Don't waste effort opposing tech when you could spend effort promoting socialism: You won't oppose tech anymore than the Luddites did (IE with limited initial success followed by absolute annihilation)

Socialists have actually been successful, unlike Luddites.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. And I celebrate every act of sabotage, from people putting traffic cones on robotaxis to people shooting down drones flying over their land.

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I love technological progress and am no Luddite but the technology that’s most visible to consumers rarely just makes everyone’s lives better. For every truly transformative tech like smartphones, there’s a dozen “disruptions” that just replace some previously functioning part of society with something shittier. (Like phone trees instead of a customer service agent. AirBnB causing rent to rise while breaking zoning laws. Generative A.I. has potential but so far, it’s mostly just automating content farms. Crypto wasn’t a real technological innovation but Silicon Valley VCs pretended it was.)

In a competitive market, even those shitty “innovations” would eventually translate into lower prices but we live in an age of weak enforcement of laws to create and foster competitive markets. Of course there’s a rise in pissed off consumers when all the upside goes to profits/shareholders.

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Smartphones disrupted so more industries than they are at risk now because of any new techs, disrupting previously functional parts of the society. They sent home thousands of workers, ruining the life people with previously highly regarded jobs, from retail to bank and finance. Why do you regarded their introduction as "better"? Probably because we were just younger, and you were more open to changes, and when they caused turmoil you didn't felt the consequences.

(I am not against smartphone or technology, just trying to point bias and selective memory)

[-] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

AI is dope as well. Still they all have impact on the market.

For sure they were companies relying on the tasks that gps does now to make a living. They most likely had to reinvent the business or die.

This is how market works since forever. Something is introduced, people make money out of it and push other people on the streets. It's an organizational problem, not a technological problem

[-] kittykabal@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

the fact that i was paywalled trying to read this pretty much says all one needs to know about where such a sentiment could be coming from. HMMMMMMMM

[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

The Luddites weren't wrong, their jobs were taken by technology.

[-] Flabbergassed@artemis.camp 1 points 1 year ago

My job was taken by Dave.

[-] neptune@dmv.social 12 points 1 year ago
[-] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

I personally refer the term Butlerian Jihadist, especially when it comes to being against AI generated content.

[-] Gutless2615@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 year ago

Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Always make me laugh seeing these neo-luddites. They're cute as hell

[-] theluddite@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago
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