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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 225 points 1 year ago

The internet needs to be classified as a utility, living without it is just not possible in the world we have created.

[-] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 101 points 1 year ago

I remember the collective shitfit around a decade ago when Obama give out free cell phones to homeless people. It was such a crazy concept to people who have never struggled that yes, you DO need a smartphone to meet your calling, banking and personal management needs. Everything has an online portal. Every job application requires an online portion. It's how the world works and has worked since the mid 00s.

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[-] thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world 179 points 1 year ago

Should be 1gbps asymmetric now, with a near future goal of 1gbps symmetric.

[-] geekworking@lemmy.world 114 points 1 year ago

Does this really matter. We aren't getting it anyway.

The telcom/cable companies are just going to take the "broadband" money, build out a couple of neighborhoods, claim it is too hard, and then keep all the money.

They have already done it many times. Free taxpayer money with zero repercussions. Why would they do anything different.

[-] krellor@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago

I have a lot of experience with rural broadband initiatives, and generally yes, the FCC designation sets the minimums we see in terms of new service delivery to underserved communities. I specifically worked with state and municipal entities to build grant packages to fund infrastructure and these new minimums would be a great help.

[-] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

We are between towns in western WA state stuck with 10Mb DSL service. There are a lot of us folks. After moving in (the PO said the internet was great, lol), we discovered that doing anything excessive like downloading AND streaming would not work. One thing at a time. We were able to bond two pair and get 20Mb which is workable, but that's where we sit. Gigabit service is all around us, but we'd have to trench a mile up the road and pay for that to even think about getting a provider to lay a line. Century Link outright laughed at me.

I was able to get T-Mo's home internet as a backup since we WFH, but it isn't stellar either.

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[-] irotsoma@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago

We really need some upstream minimums as well. That causes so much lag for me. Most plans are 1 up even with 100 down. I have a 200/10 plan now and it's difficult to do work with the maybe 5 that I get in practice if I'm lucky, especially after overhead from VPN.

[-] vividspecter@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most plans are 1 up even with 100 down

That can't be right. I thought Australia's 100/20 plans had pathetic upload speeds but that's unreal.

[-] Lesrid@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Most broadband access in the US is via coax. And the coax companies refuse to let cable TV, and the packages they can bundle, die. So the portion of the coax that would allow for symmetrical service instead brings all the channels you didn't buy because everyone streams now.

[-] yuknowhokat@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I have Spectrum here in the southeast of the United States. My plan is 300 down 12 up. That pathetic upload speed needs to change for the better.

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[-] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Right now in a lot of states Verizon has a monopoly on symmetrical internet service. I can’t ever switch ISPs because I can’t get 400/400 anywhere else.

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[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 87 points 1 year ago

I could give a shit what they call it. How about enforcing some god damn price restrictions or make data caps illegal? Speed means little otherwise

[-] lemmeout@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

This actually does keep prices in check. Albeit, a bit backasswardsly.

I may be off on the specifics but it's something like: Having to offer 100mbps at the lowest rates in (poor neighborhoods) increases the speeds of each tier while keeping the price the same.

[-] TeoTwawki@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago

Thats great but can we demand some decent UPLOAD to?

cries in 300down measally 10 up

[-] Qwaffle_waffle@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In the linked pdf, it does mention the benchmarks.

  • 2015/current standard is 25/3 Mbps.
  • Proposed increase to 100/20 Mbps.
  • Future goal is 1000/500 Mbps.
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

And really, 20 mbps at the bottom tier for broadband isn't all that unreasonable. We're talking about the floor level here.

[-] privatizetwiddle@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 year ago

20mbits at bottom tier would be fine, but there are currently top tier cable plans, 1gbps down and still only 10mbps up. Upload speed needs to scale at least proportionallly, if not symmetrically.

[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I felt so gaslit by optimum because they advertise 1gbps parallel. But, if you don't have their fiber offering in your region they'll happily sell you 1gbps/24mbps for the same price.

Although, unless I complain, they fail to give me even 300mbps down.

I miss Google Fiber :(

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[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

Can’t wait til they give another few hundred billion to ISPs who turn it into bonuses instead of infra improvement

[-] notannpc@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

As it should have been 5 years ago. Maybe even more.

[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago

5 years late but better than never.

[-] popemichael@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 1 year ago

I did telecom work about 5 years ago

It was shocking the amount of area that depends on a low-quality copper wire infrastructure.

I don't know if that changed in 5 years, but companies are going to have a hard time getting that replaced nationwide

[-] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

They just won't be able to call it broadband.

[-] poprocks@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

We live in a rural area (but only 16 miles from the nearest city) and have copper. We really hope the infrastructure bill will bring real internet to us in our lifetime.

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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

100 mbps? That's 100 millibits per second, or 0.1 bits per second. I'd certainly hope for better bandwidth than one bit every ten seconds; that's slower than smoke signals.

[-] simple@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

I wish we can all move to MB/s and get rid of the endless confusion on names

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[-] Dremor@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Laugh in Western European (10Gbps)

[-] PlexSheep@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

Cries in German. (I personally have Speedy Internet but many people I know have internet that really sucks slowly.)

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[-] WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago

I just don't get it. Why not making upload speed same as download speed?

[-] adrian783@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

the most simple explanation is that total bandwidth is limited and more upload speed they give you the less download speed.

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[-] rmuk@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

On all lines the total amount of available bandwidth has to be split between upload and download. If you've got gigabits or even hundreds of megabits to play with then symmetric is great, but on slower connections is makes a world of sense to heavily favour download just because humans are better at consuming information than creating it. Consider how many hours of videos the average person watches per week versus how many they create in the same period. Same for photos, emails, articles, etc. There are people who have parity but they are in a pretty tiny minority.

That said, I hear there are people in the US getting 300Mb/s down and 10Mb/s up which is pretty fucking nuts.

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[-] Redhotkurt@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago

You might have figured it out by now, but "megabits per second" is abbreviated as "Mbps" with an uppercase m; yeah, it's kinda pedantic, but using lowercase means it's a millibit, which is much, much smaller. The same applies to "gigabits per second," which should be expressed as "Gbps."

At any rate, thank you for posting this, it really is good news. And about time they did this, too.

[-] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago

I think it's common parlance to use Mbps and mbps interchangeably since nothing uses "millibits" as a unit of measurement. More commonly people misuse Mbps and MBps which is incorrect since it signifies bits and bytes.

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[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 year ago

It should also require allowing incoming connections. Too much ISPs, especially mobile, are gives one-way Internet now. Basically like having a phone line with no phone number.

[-] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

You should google "CG-NAT" and learn why mobile providers don't (and simply can't) provide you a public IP. Get yourself a cheap VPS, set up a reverse proxy, and open all the ports you want.

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[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's due to there not being enough IPv4 addresses, and IPv6 is... forgotten I guess.

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[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

If I could also get 100mbps for less than $80 a month that'd be great.

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[-] ieightpi@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Slightly off topic but I seriously hope the Dems have a good plan to tell the general public of the US, just how much Biden and his administration has done for good progressive legislation this far.

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[-] bigredcar@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I just hope Ofcom will have a similar idea for the UK. Currently you only have a "universal service obligation" for 10Mbps, and if you can be provided by 4G then Openreach doesn't have to upgrade your old copper line. Large areas of my city are still copper only.

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Go get them FCC! Lets move into the future.

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