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[-] owl@infosec.pub 1 points 22 hours ago

How does he create these cool pictures?

[-] robsteranium@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago
[-] Lemming_Kravitz@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

IDK what. Internet and people are usually shallow. Internet is shallow since like 2005 when it became more widespread and accessible. Sometimes I find myself raising autistic kids on it.

There was that video game Prey. Where the people had their stuff outsourced to flying toaster AI robots called operators. So they can be present patiently and persistent everywhere. You could have like a doctor flying toaster. I want that. I have seen how limited are human doctors under these current circumstances of being in an overly monetized system.

Also human connections are important, but they are usually flawed and backfire.

Not like that people are wrong, they just suffer from this fetal alcohol syndrome and pregnant smoking related innate oxygen deprivation and stuff like that.

[-] RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago

It's always refreshing to read something that I can be 100% sure was not written by an AI.

[-] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Humanity may never see anything like the 90s-2000s era again. That was a distinct milieu of nearly unbound creation and discovery. Not only did corporations remained skeptical of the internet. People were highly averse to being manipulated because the internet was untrustworthy. Paradoxically that's what made the internet trustworthy. Once trust was established of course. It was a perfect mix of factors that made it a unique period in history.

[-] Cherry@piefed.social 114 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I feel like there has been waves of losses.

  • Web 2.0 upgrades made everyone feel like they had to have a shiny polished site. We lost a lot of fun amateurs.

Once apps started getting pushed websites started to get abandoned/empty. everything from shopping to small games. I shouldn't need an app for the coffee shop.

Bots and bad search operators made looking and finding a chore.

Insta killed blogs, suddenly everyone wanted a insta or YT brand rather than a blog/rss

  • Everything became sponsored =- say i wanted to find out how to polish my boots, the first 3 pages and everything everywhere suddenly tries to sell me boots.

This is why i no longer enjoy the internet. I know i sound old man yelling at cloud.

[-] rozodru@piefed.world 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

as a former web developer, you nailed it.

I essentially taught myself how to build sites from Geocities. Back then the internet was awesome because finding a new site that was cool was like finding buried treasure. Things weren't condensed. there was no central hub for news, media, socializing, etc. it was all spread out. you had webrings of similar interests, different forums you'd go to for different topics. different chat rooms like IRC, or The Palace, or Yahoo/AOL chat. It was better. it was easier to make friends online.

now it's all condensed and boring. you go to less than a handful of sites a day, maybe only one or two, to get content. Forums are all but dead and social media killed them. We know too much about each other now, the "penpal" aspect is gone. blogs and livejournals don't provide interesting and personal content anymore...they all have hidden agendas of essentially the author trying to get a job. Webapps killed creativity.

The internet is boring now and you really have to dig and dig deep for that "old school" content. because regardless of what search engine you use be it DDG, Kogi, Startpage, Google, whatever NONE of them are going to point you to someones Neocities or SpaceHey or blog anymore. They need to sell you something instead.

it's like sites like this: https://www.manuelsweb.com/ THIS is what the internet used to be like. personal sites that just had links and posts about whatever was special in someones life.

[-] Cherry@piefed.social 17 points 2 days ago

It used to be so much fun mooching around and stumbling on things, like a site covered in rainbows that told you about a the best walks on a local mountain and then had a random ice cream recipe and some happy person taking a silly photo of themselves, followed by a review of their fav spoon and some instructions on how to fix a vacuum.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Same, taught myself HTML over a summer in high school. Literally went to a library and printed out a tutorial I found on the Internet.

I will say though, if you haven't heard of it, there's a small movement to get back to more organic web content. There's the Fediverse for social media that isn't algorithmically-weighted. There's NeoCities for web pages. There's Mojeek and Marginalia for search. (Marginalia is all non-commercial, so its search index is interesting.)

There's still a lot of good out there.

[-] Cherry@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

OMG Love it. Thanks

Both the neocities and https://marginalia-search.com/ were very helpful.

I would love to hear more about this organic movement. If you ever want to do a regular post on it, i feel a lot here might respond.

It would be really good if we could have our neocities attached to our name or something....remember when everyone had a sig with 15 useful links. i forgot that

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A good place to start is free and open source software. I made a video on it in April on my YT channel, and really spent that whole month talking about free alternatives to popular subscription services like Spotify and Netflix.

Here's one of those videos. If you learn something new, I'd appreciate a like to help with the algorithm, but that's totally up to you.

Have a great day!

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Check out wiby.me for old-school stuff too. Clicking on 'surprise me...' is my favorite way to "surf the web" in modern times.

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[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 56 points 2 days ago

you dont sound like old man yelling at cloud. you sound like sane man in madhouse.

[-] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 13 points 2 days ago

Old man yelling at cloud was right all along. The cloud is genuinely trying to ruin us.

[-] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

You kinda are yelling at the cloud, dude

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[-] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I've long thought that we need a web 3.0 that uses a different protocol entirely and is techie and difficult like getting on bbs'es was in the 80s . For a good 20 years until that one gets enshitified too we have another chance.

[-] ARealAlaskan@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Check out project Gemini:

https://geminiprotocol.net/

"Gemini is a new internet technology supporting an electronic library of interconnected text documents. That's not a new idea, but it's not old fashioned either. It's timeless, and deserves tools which treat it as a first class concept, not a vestigial corner case. Gemini isn't about innovation or disruption, it's about providing some respite for those who feel the internet has been disrupted enough already. We're not out to change the world or destroy other technologies. We are out to build a lightweight online space where documents are just documents, in the interests of every reader's privacy, attention and bandwidth."

No auto playing media. No cookies. Nothing tracking you. And they built it, as I understand, to be deliberately difficult to add new features to, to prevent enshittification.

[-] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

I like this. I'll check it out when I get home or if I hide from work today.

[-] Auth@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

if all you want is static webpages and text documents you dont need a new web.

[-] ARealAlaskan@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

I want privacy, and long form thought.

Neither of those things thrive in an environment where everyone is trying to extract value from thought and personal information.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

The internet isn’t the internet anymore. It’s walled off, corporatized, and exclusionary.

The internet used to be for people.

Now it’s for profit.

[-] arotrios@lemmy.world 82 points 2 days ago

2nd to last paragraph:

And this isn’t some anti-AI screed — I’m all-in on agentic software engineering!

[-] inari@piefed.zip 39 points 2 days ago

To be fair the internet was already shit before 2023

[-] Rothe@piefed.social 32 points 2 days ago

Not to the extent it is now courtesy of AI.

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[-] GottaHaveFaith@fedia.io 22 points 2 days ago

IMHO using ai to automate tasks is not the same as using ai to generate sloppy content

[-] nulluser@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Using AI to automate tasks that could be automated with a script is awful. And if the endpoints are there for AI to trigger actions, then a simple script could use those same endpoints to do the same thing.

Using AI to help write the script? (Strong emphasis on "help") Ok, maybe in some scenarios.

But just constantly running AI to do shit is like firing up your big diesel pickup to go down the block to visit your neighbors, except in this case the diesel truck can't even be trusted to reliably take you to your neighbors every time you want to go there. There's always the chance it's going to decide to go somewhere else.

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[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Maybe all this bullshit is a needed step to bring back old internet

We need forums back.. the fediverse is a good start in my book.

[-] daychilde@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Not a bad post and has some good points but I think they're reacting to broader social changes. Not just the Internet. That mentioned co-workers, and that to me indicates a broader issue.

[-] HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social 39 points 2 days ago

I've actually started to enjoy internet more recently. I went back to IRC, found a nice network with a wholesome community which is growing all the time. Recently added a phpbb based forum, which is not very active yet but thats more because its fairly new. Lots of self hosting enthusiasts there, I've learned a bunch. Spent the last few weeks setting up Jellyfin and Navidrome for my dad to use, so he doesnt have to deal with repeats on the Telly or pay for stupid subscriptions. I did the navidrome with a old laptop, I put in a headless Debian and use it through SSH on my Fedora. A year ago I barely knew how to do "sudo apt install", without this community I wouldnt have been able to do any of it. For the first time in 15 years, I'm enjoying my time online. Like properly enjoying.

So its not about internet being ruined, its about finding that spot that you can enjoy. Let people rot their brains in tiktak and facetagram, you find yourself a nice community of like minded people. It takes some effort, but the communities are there. And if they are not, make one yourself.

[-] rimu@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago

Also you are using piefed.social which aggressively filters out AI content, the topic of the article.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

I hope that we’ll collectively decide that it’s rude to pass off LLM writing as your own, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

We won’t unless we stop the source perpetuating this “culture.”

Big Tech.

Unfortunately, they kinda have a grip on everyone’s information sphere, so I think our chances are low :(

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

Learning about the world through 500-character snippets, or 30-second videos, is not a serious way to engage with knowledge.

Just don't consume it. Same for blogs.

It's like junk food. It's not going away, so just don't consume it.

[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I don't know who are they, but they could just curate their online experience by looking for something that is actually organic and genuine, and drop their anchors on that.

[-] Sims@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago

Everything gets enshittified - Capitalised, and nothing good ever comes out of those leeches and parasites.

The Capitalist religion crushed a new global, free and open digital community landscape. Say loud and proud: 'thank you Capitalist believer', for how it looks and works today..

[-] NathanRanch@lemmy.zip 22 points 2 days ago

The undernet is growing as the overnet is bloated and dying of it's own poison.

[-] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago

And what would the undernet be? This Lemmy here?

[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Check out Neocities, it's a revamp of the old Geocities platform.

All individual small sites, in the style of the late 90's-early 2000's web. Tons of animated gifs, sparkling cursors, hand-crafted HTML and CSS, web rings, shrines and fan pages, etc.

Very fun to just click random pages and explore, just like back in the day before search engines and algos curated our feeds and content for us.

[-] AvocadoCumToast@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

Here’s a direct link to the gallery. Scroll and blindly pick one with your finger with your ur eye closed

https://neocities.org/browse

[-] Living_Dead@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Oh man! Its been so long since I have seen geocities like sites. This is going to be a great rabbit hole, thank you.

[-] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 days ago

Holy shit, that sounds good and will look into it. Thanks!

[-] graynk@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 2 days ago

The internet is in small communities we shitpost in along the way

[-] 404found@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Try to look at it as the chapter of the internet as we know it is over. I feel the same way as this author but I hold out hope innovation will happen.

Someone will fill the void. How and when it happens remains to be seen. There was a time not too long ago when it was unfathomable for people to have computers in their pocket.

The simpsons will probably predict it.

[-] SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There's part of me that thinks this is pure nostalgia bait - we grew up on the internet, we're middle-aged now, everything was better when we were young, shake fist at cloud.

OTOH, author isn't wrong. The mainstream net genuinely ain't what she used to be. The exact blame for that I don't know and it doesn't matter - we're in the shit now.

That's why niche sites like Lemmy, small web, RSS feeds etc are still so valuable. They're messy and human, like things used to be (tm). The trouble is finding them.

What I notice most is that I don't really search anymore; I use the internet like an appliance. "Want info about A, go to X. Want info about B, go to Y".

It's all horribly efficient. In fact, in a recent !privacy comment (on best search engines) I basically said "I don't really search any more. Search is shit. I use these tools instead"

https://aussie.zone/comment/24223554

So the author's point about use of AI tools is worth chewing on (what with Lemmy being famously anti-AI). I think we're now at the point where AI-assisted tools - self-hosted for me, thanks - are the best way to find those rabbit holes worth exploring. Even a small llm (Gemma-4-e4b) tied into good MCP tools can produce a really good "super Google, without the spam, find me X".

In fact, one of the main reasons I self host (yes, mine's solar powered) is that specifically.

https://aussie.zone/comment/24336560

OTOH, you could always mirror your own internet. With black jack. And hookers.

https://aussie.zone/comment/24257247

Ultimately though, I think smaller, more curated space (yes, like Lemmy and yes, please stop trying to turn it into the next Reddit) are going to be the last bastions of the old internet.

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[-] daggermoon@piefed.world 10 points 2 days ago

Can we make a new internet?

[-] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 15 points 2 days ago

We here on the fediverse are currently trying to build it.

[-] P1nkman@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Yes, we can!

Be the change you want to see!

Together, we can make it better!!!

I'll be the motivator for the team, all we're missing are the programmers. Or wait, should we vibe-code it?

Tap for spoilerI am sincerely sorry about the vibe code comment. I threw up in my mouth when I read it out loud. I'm sorry.

[-] ennof@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

VRChat still has a little old internet. Some worlds are weird, but some communities engage in stimulating discourse. Of course, avatars and such are monetized to some extent, but not the spoken content (please don't monetize speech).

[-] SCmSTR 3 points 2 days ago
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