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The lack of a U.S. carrier in the Pacific may be short-lived if the Navy deploys another in the next couple of months. But it shows how the open-ended operations with Iran are running some American sailors ragged, analysts say, while the Trump administration further retreats from the Asia-Pacific region and focuses on the Western Hemisphere.

“The administration says that the Pacific is supposed to be the most important behind the Western Hemisphere,” said Greg Poling, director of the Southeast Asia Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Instead, the U.S. is “doing the exact opposite” of its previously expressed goal of pulling out of the Middle East.

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[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago
[-] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 81 points 6 days ago

Bye Taiwan, so long and thanks for all the chipsets.

[-] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 74 points 6 days ago

If Iran can run the Navy ragged, imagine what India or China can do

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago

So much of the joke is that they won't need to.

唯一的制胜之策就是不参与

[-] NegentropicBoy@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Translated to be “The only winning move is not to play.”

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[-] _chris@lemmy.world 58 points 6 days ago

Man, all this is doing is showing any potential enemies just how fucking toothless the US is. Amazing show.

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

And yet we still spend so much freaking money on our military.

[-] _chris@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

I’d argue it’s going to military contractors who are spending a lot on “research”. Grifters all the way down.

[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Especially that dork who named his companies after Tolkien things and practically has almost all the world's cameras.

[-] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 5 days ago

well, it might be smart to take taiwan now, even with the worldwide upset this would cause.
There is a good chance that the west has no answer to it.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

it might be smart to take taiwan now

Or just peacefully integrate socio-economically over the next 50 years. You kill a lot less people that way

[-] BeardededSquidward 7 points 4 days ago

China seems to be forgoing the peaceful, long term route as of late.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago
[-] BeardededSquidward 3 points 4 days ago

China has stated it would recognize not so much independence of Hong Kong but its self autonomy that allows it to run. They promised to the UK after the hand over to always respect that going forward. They held that up for a while but started pushing for legislatures and legislation that was friendly or directly from the mainland. When the expected upset came and people protested, they came down pretty hard on protests.

I know it was an extradition bill but there was a lot of valid concerns it'd be used to persecute unwanted dissidence and ship them to the mainland where they could simply disappear.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

There was a lot of hysterical social media and agitation on behalf of a vocal minority inside Hong Kong. Even then, Hong Kong was already a police state under UK rule. It was one of the reasons Western libertarians loved the place (and it's spiritual twin Singapore).

The idea that a Chinese aligned government would need to extradite someone from Hong Kong to the mainland only makes sense if the person in question was a fugitive from the mainland hiding specifically in Hong Kong. Which would make about as much sense as an American fleeing the US criminal justice system in Guam or Puerto Rico.

As to

China has stated it would recognize not so much independence of Hong Kong but its self autonomy that allows it to run.

The Hong Kong political structure remains intact. The leadership has all rolled over to Chinese aligned bureaucrats. And the modern-day pro-Democracy protests are an echo of the same pro-Democracy movement that sprang up under British rule back in the 1980s.

This is where Western spin sells people on "Evil China" by neatly sweeping the history of these regions under the rug. You get an earful about China being anti-democratic, when it inherits an anti-democratic UK colony that it promises not to reform. You get an earful about abhorrent Chinese labor practices (the 996) that predate the hand-over and are exempted from mainland labor protections for the same reason. You read about an extradition from Hong Kong to Taiwan and get an earful of spin about how this threatens people in Hong Kong from Hong Kong. And then you read about a Hong Kong riot that kills a couple of Hong Kong cops, rephrased as Tiananmen Square 2.

All this on the back of Chinese reforms that prohibit crypto-scams, crack down on medical quackery, reform predatory loans in the housing market, and dramatically improve labor and environmental standards nationwide, which just so happen to rub a bunch of MAGA-aligned US mega-corps the wrong way.

[-] BeardededSquidward 2 points 4 days ago

I'll not argue part of the reason for the portrayal of China in a lot of particularly USA media is to keep establishing that they're an enemy we need to be ready to might. Much like the Soviets, North Vietnamese, and North Koreans. And I will not deny that the USA has a shit history of conquering people.

That said China is not wholly innocent in not doing the same. They still push for influence for soft power, so does the USA, control colonies which the USA does as well, commits genocide which the USA has done. I honestly see them more as rivals than enemies to be destroyed, and rivalries aren't inherently bad. When they become heavily antagonistic, which I'm certain both country's medias love to play up, is where it goes from rivalry to cold warfare.

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[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

The Hong Kong protests everyone forgot about when covid started.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

oh the empire is coming to murder me instead. awesome.

[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago

No one expects China to invade Taiwan because an American aircraft carrier has left the region. But the carrier’s absence gives the Chinese another opportunity to show its strength, said Bryan Clark, a former Navy submariner who is a defense analyst at the Hudson Institute.

Uh, fucking, I DO!

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

How many years and how fortuitous do the circumstances have to get before people stop insisting an invasion is imminent?

There's an enormous amount of value in China and Taiwan remaining friendly trading partners. Westerners refuse to acknowledge this.

[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago
[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Tibet came under the rule of the Qing dynasty of China in 1720 after the Qing expelled the forces of the Dzungar Khanate from Tibet

:-/

[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

hahhaha and there it is gentlemen, tankie gonna tank

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[-] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

But... but China bad!!!

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[-] metermatic26@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

Leaders around the world are treating the US military defeat against Iran as a given and are planning for a future that does not include the US in any decisive role.

The current response of the nations in the Middle East is telling: plans are being drawn up and security cooperations being forged, while pretty much ignoring the US altogether.

Its likely a precursor for what we’ll see happen with nations surrounding the Sea of Japan and South China Sea in the upcoming months.

The largest, most powerful nation on earth has literally botched this war. Militarily, politically and economically. And as a result we’re now witnessing the US led global world order unravel completely. I think we’ve entered a very scary time.

[-] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

botched

It was never winnable. No western nation would have won against Iran. The war is the dumbest war to begin with because of how unwinnable it was. Why are people acting as if Trump could have outsmarted Iran at any point ever? No NATO military leader would have won. The best choice for anyone is to just not start a war with Iran. A smart leader would have just not bombed Iran. No smart leader could win this war. That's how stupid the war is. The smartest NATO leader right now, if they were fighting a war with Iran, would admit defeat.

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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago

Exposed flank. These guys are not MI (military intelligence), they are AI (alternative intelligence). Oh, stinky pete what have you wrought?

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago

Dude is literally acting like the manchurian candidate

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 8 points 5 days ago

Manchurian Candidate: (intelligently acts on codewords after sophisticated brainwashing)

Donchurian Candidate: "Oh hey Pooty how's it hangin. Sabotage an American institution? Another one? How much money? Sounds like a deal. A great deal. Biglyest deal."

[-] pnwpixel@programming.dev 4 points 4 days ago

He said while sipping on his cup of covfefe...

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

I don't think I've lived to see a president who wasn't accused of this

[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

But very few had such obvious clandestine obligations to foreign adversaries and sociopathic individuals.

[-] decipher_jeanne 16 points 5 days ago

The point of having 11 carrier is that you can always have several of them in maintenance while others are in operation and still keep a reserve. It's a massive mismanagement of assets to somehow have carriers running ragged and yet still need to pull carrier from other commitments.

Can't even be competently evil. Yee yee ass Wana be evil empire.

[-] oyzmo@piefed.social 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

China takes Taiwan - ram prices will go through the roof - don't understand how trumptydumpty's tech friends allowed him to do this. Oh well, the world may become a better place with China in the captain's seat; Xi at least seems more intelligent and stable than Trump.

[-] barryamelton@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

China takes Taiwan - ram prices will go through the roof - don’t understand how trumptydumpty’s tech friends allowed him to do This

Because USA tech friends want that: they want the trillion profits from squeezing the worker class out of the means of compute. Once we are all slaves we will pay back the dividends tenfold. They don't care about China or Taiwan, they only care about China's and Taiwan's billionaire class, which is with them anyways.

[-] djmikeale@feddit.dk 7 points 5 days ago

Additionally, if China takes Taiwan, they'll be able to exert heavy influence on Korea and Japan, as a huge part of their import/export flows through Taiwan Strait. Might be able to get the countries to cut down on diplomatic relations with the West, perhaps even getting rid of a few of USA's military bases in Japan and South Korea

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[-] Frettchen@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Western Hemisphere? So he is going to attack Europe?

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

American ally-ship increasingly loses value as the Donald Administration progresses.

I wonder what the next president will do to try and win it back.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Latin American dictators seem to be lining up behind him and Rubio like ducklings.

I think the next president is going to inherit an absolute rogue's gallery of "friends"

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