I've used Qobuz for a long time, and it's been great.
I am really liking Qobuz
Bandcamp or qobuz. They actually pay the artists a lot better. Especially bandcampfridays
Not Spotify, but I've just been using YT Music FOSS alternatives for a while + offline music from CDs I own.
With my headphones, I can't tell the difference between a lossless FLAC and audio from YTM, so it's not an issue for me.
YouTube music better not be on that list. I have problems with it adding generated music to radio stations all the time (stuff that's unlabeled but that I know is AI from lists I've seen floating around the internet). I went through one ai "artists" whole catalog and downvoted every song they made and still sometimes I catch them slipping.
Tidal, Qobuz, Bandcamp, and Deezer are the ones if recommend.
Lidarr, prowlarr, qbit and navidrome do wonders
This, plus if you love a smaller artist and want to support them you can buy their music from qobuz, download it (it’s drm free), and import it into Lidarr.
Yeah exactly. Some artist also make their music available for download in high ress formats after a fee. Which I am happy to pay directly to them.
Have you tried tidal? ATM I'm too broke to be paying for music but in the future, I would like to support the artists
I've been running Navidrome + Symfonium for over 3 years and it replaced Spotify. The only thing they have over my setup is a near infinite number of playlists. But I do everything myself now, I've reconnected with my music.
My main issue with Spotify was no lossless audio at the time, and many tracks weren't on there, if they were they had a habit of disappearing. Now I can listen to any track, remix, bootleg, and even the 1700+ tracks my friend digitised from his vinyl collection until perpetuity.
Symfonium, btw, is truly the best music streaming app, the customizability is beyond anything I've seen
Mm zymfonium is not open source I see
Symphonium is the goat. Using it with Jellyfin.
Altho what I miss as well is the big data driven recommendation of new, niche music. I tried new compilation albums, I tried recommendation by genre/tag but nothing quite hits it like spotify 'discover weekly".
Also my listenbrainz doesnt really scrobble while listening offline (downloaded) playlists on symphonium, so its not really an option.
Anyone with a solution to this?
I use Symfonium and sync it with Jellyfin. It really is amazing
I've been trying to tell all my friends who are self-hosting curious when they see my setup that the feeling of reconnecting with your library is worth all the work alone. It's like having your old iPod with YOUR library. Adding more to it, reassessing what's serving you or what can be trimmed, making sick playlists that mean something to you. It's all so intentional. Algorithmic music is incredible for discovery and that's about it.
Algorithmic music is incredible for discovery and that’s about it.
This may be true for most but was not for me. I was on streaming services for two years and discovered maybe five new bands. I went back to my old process of discovery (reading magazines, reading online reviews) and discover many more every year.
Algorithms tend to pump you full of similar sounding artists. I'd rather be challenged as a listener and grow than be stuck in a same sounding culdesac.
Couldn't agree more! Although I always wish the barrier for entry to be lower for self-hosting.
Literally the only thing about Symfonium that's lacking is having to manually scan the library when adding new music. I use Feishin on my desktops, which some manages to do it in the background.
Feishin is so epic too, I love it
Yeah that's true. But once metadata is cached, it takes like a minute to scan my entire library!
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My conscience has never been more free
Yeah, but are the artists getting paid?
The artists weren't getting paid when you were using Spotify. The shareholders were.
If you want artists to get paid, you have to buy direct or support them indirectly via merch/tickets/buying streams, etc.
Yeah I do, that’s what I’m saying
Gotcha. Thank you for clarifying.
The ones I really like I will still buy something from. The others I don't listen to enough for them to even make $1 from streaming anyway.
I use the money to go to concerts and buy merch!
Qobuz bruv. Pays artists more and has easy peasy playlist migration.
I wanted to use it, but a Facebook tracker in the app is a hard no for me.
https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/769361/
I moved to Qobuz where I am slowly buying my music to fill in my Navidrome server which is my main driver. They support and pay artists substantially more.
I'd do the same, yet Qobuz is not available in my country, despite being in EU...
Consider buying and/downloading your favorite tracks to make an offline library. In my case it was totally worth the effort. I get to keep it forever, everything plays instantly and I need no subscription or internet connection. Also I can still pay to stream for a month from time to time.
Bandcamp is good for this. You can stream stuff you bought on there for free through the app if you want to. I download my purchases and add them to my enormous library that I started in the late nineties.
Yeah, that's where I get about one third of my music. Another third is from Qobuz and the rest is converted from YT or somewhere else. Furthermore, I use MP3Tag and RSGain or Picard to organize the files and set replay gain tags so audio players can play the tracks with normalized volume.
My biggest thing is discovering new music in line with my broad tastes. Anything do that that well? Then im off.
If self hosting your music you could always go down the route of Listenbrainz scrobbling with something like Explo to autograb the weekly recommended playlist. Same goes for Last.fm. Music discovery is also the thing that had me hooked for so long.
Will look into this, thanks!
bandcamp is all i need. if an artist only sells music on corporate sites, they're a sellout and part of the problem
Bandcamp is owned by the biggest music licensing conglomerate in the world, how is that not corporate?
I have tried: Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, You Tube Music, Tidal
I now stick with Tidal. Started by (very rich) artists. They pay musicians 3-4X more than Spotify. Highest sound quality available. Good app and works with smart speakers.
BTW with Soundiiz it is easy to sync you playlists across multiple platforms, so no friction with switching.
Soundiiz nuts
Sorry...
I've been using Qobuz for the past few months and it's pretty good. The playlist limitation sucks but they recently made it easier to shuffle tracks marked as favourites. I also find it easier to discover new and indie artists on there. I wish someone would make a TUI player for it an I imagine i'll eventually just make my own (haven't looked at their API yet so not sure if it's possible) but there is a Linux GUI player called QBZ.
I love Poweramp for listening to .flacs on android, best 8€ i've spent on an app
Honestly, some are better than others depending on priorities, but literally anything is a better option than Spotify on most fronts these days.
I've used Qobuz for years and have zero complaints.
Something free/open that basically just hit-n-runs YouTube and doesn't serve any ads.
Examples: Kreate (or a similar fork), Metrolist, etc.
Downside is that YT will push deliberate updates that break these types of apps occasionally and you may have to wait a few days for them to be fixed. It is a cat and mouse game.
Use these apps for music discovery. If you like a particular artist, buy the album directly from them and cache it digitally on your intended listening devices. Or go see a show or buy merch directly from the artists website. The artist makes more margin on those than they will make for thousands of Spotify streams.
Plexamp and a well maintained library.
I used to have Spotify Premium, on the family plan. My wife almost never used it, but she had it. I put it on her phone, made her an account, added her to the family plan. So she had access. She just didn't use it.
I left because, at the time, Spotify was not engaging with the Japanese market. About 10-15 years ago, the big western record labels in the US, UK, et al stopped signing new rock bands, stopped promoting rock music, and rock radio was quickly dying. Meanwhile, Japan was taking rock music and running with it, and a lot of the popular acts were singing in English, or mixed Japanese and English. And Spotify was not biting. You could get a couple Japanese bands on Spotify, if they were huge, but most of them? Not up there. I wanted rock music. Culturally, rock music moved east, and Spotify mostly refused to follow.
Apple Music had a six month free trial (this was... 2018?) and we dropped Spotify to Free and went with that. Worst case scenario, I figured, I'd just get six months of free music and go back. Now for background, I'm an iPhone guy, my wife uses Android. Even with an iPhone, I was using Spotify, because, at the time, it was just what you did. No one cared about Apple Music, it was a cash grab, it wasn't taken seriously. But I checked it out, I imported all my playlists, it had everything I wanted... and it had all the Japanese stuff I was looking for. We never paid for Spotify again.
Best of all, my wife actually uses Apple Music. Apple Music is fine on an Android phone. She got a new Android phone at one point and was told her old one wasn't worth anything. I took it, wiped it, and put a few apps on it. Of course I have Apple Music on it. Even on a 2019 Galaxy S10, it still runs. I've also got a 256GB SD card in it with a backup of all my music, so it has the streaming, and it has offline playback (via an app called Poweramp, but any offline music player would work).
I wouldn't mess with Amazon or YouTube for music streaming. If I had to choose an alternative to Apple Music, I'd only consider one where their primary business was music, like Qobuz is a new one that looks promising, or maybe Tidal. Ironically, last I heard, Napster pays artists the most per stream, but it's not the filesharing Napster. That app died almost 20 years ago. A streaming service (Rhapsody, I believe) just bought the name and logo.
I'm one of those guys who doesn't need to pay for music streaming. I have a massive collection and I have room to expand it. I know how to take a CD and get the second best digital copy (the best being lossless) from it. My computers don't have optical drives, but I have a USB-powered one that, with an adapter (USB A to USB C) works just fine on my laptop. Haven't plugged it into the desktop yet. Ports are all in the back, it's a pain in the knob, I'll just use it on the laptop. I pay for music because I love music. More than movies, more than TV shows, more than books, and more than video games. I don't see paying for streaming as a bad thing. Pay for what you love, if you can. A lot of people pay for services they don't use. My wife insists on paying for Netflix. I never use Netflix. I think she uses it sometimes. I think it's a waste of money. She doesn't. So she pays for it. I pay for Crunchyroll because we both love anime, and I do it through Apple TV so everyone on our family plan can access it. I would not pay for streaming of dumbed down TV shows, but that's just me. I pay for what I love.
I made a video on this topic several months ago.
TLDW: Metrolist and Outertune
(But would appreciate a like to help with the algo if you try these out and like them. Thanks!)
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