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[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 97 points 4 days ago

Headline:

Signal is working on registration without a phone number. But what form will it take?

30 July 2026 10:30 CEST

Signal is working on a way to optionally sign up without a phone number. The feature has not yet been officially confirmed, and it is not yet known whether it will be available to all users or in what form.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago
[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I've always said it. Best form to prevent spam is to have allow list as a default. You should only be able to receive messages from pre-approved people.

I have allow listed my email for ages and it's great.

But obviously advertisers and business hate it because then they need your true consent to send you shit.

And in the case of Telegram, if they did that why would anyone sign up for their premium account?

I tried using Telegram and the amount of spam I would receive was annoying, but what was even more annoying was finding out that the 'Restrict messages from users not in your contacts' setting is paywalled. Telegram profits off of the spammers on their network.

[-] Everyday0764@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

yep, i had that feature on, but then they paywalled it and now I'm getting some spam.

I don't really use telegram and I will dump it soon.

[-] majster@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 days ago

Sooo instead you will be required to pay by card and thus have your identity proven by financial institutions behind? Big ooof.

[-] lemdeggity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago

I think you're jumping the gun a bit. They're just saying that requiring a phone number added a barrier against spammers and they want to be sure this change doesn't open the flood gates.

From the article:

"We gotta figure out some way to induce a cost for signing up without a phone number”, Kret said.

It’s unclear whether this means that registration without a phone number will become a paid feature.

However, “cost” does not necessarily mean a monetary fee; it could also refer to another barrier designed to prevent abuse.

[-] RadicalRebel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

Even if it was a card, privacy.com for the win as it allows for any address and name to be used with their debit cards!

[-] mild_deviation@programming.dev 4 points 2 days ago

For the low, low price of the transaction fee and all data about the transaction!

Is there a system in the US that doesn’t need an overhaul at this point?

[-] RadicalRebel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

There's no transaction fees and the payment data can be anything you'd like... But I'm on the same page about an overhaul for sure

[-] ItsAlwaysDNS@sh.itjust.works 45 points 4 days ago

Another W for Signal

[-] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 31 points 4 days ago

Ten years too late.

This could have had a far greater impact when whatsapp exodus or controversy happend in 2021. I bet they have reached a stall in the number of new accounts and donations are drying out.

I have also read rumors about them thinking about tying this to a one time payment to prevent bot registration

[-] Vendetta@feddit.org 16 points 3 days ago

I'll be happy if it happens but I need to see it. It would be significant to use Signal without phone number but one option they are considering to combat scam is to use bank card payment... Signal's issue still remains the centralisaion

[-] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 21 points 4 days ago

They say they need to figure out how to counter/avoid spam/abuse first. And that makes a lot of sense to me. I mean, just look at Telegram (which is ironically going the opposite route nowadays).

[-] Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org 7 points 4 days ago

Telegram requires a phone number, last I checked, and Desktop needs to be signed in to from mobile. So the same as Signal for "Abuse Prevention" (TM)

And it's only good for connecting to bot networks to deliver... Questionable content.

Most of my torrents ceom from Telegram bots, now that sites keep getting taken down who hosted them.

As to actually using it?

Well, the only contacts I have are pirate bots, and that will never change.

Still more than I have on Signal, though ;)

[-] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago

I don't believe Telegram desktop needed a mobile connection before and I used it for years and didn't use a mobile client. I mostly used it as a bridge client for IRC and Matrix as the client itself was superior if you didn't need privacy or encryption.

[-] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 3 points 4 days ago

Telegram requires a phone number, last I checked

(which is ironically going the opposite route nowadays)

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[-] nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf 9 points 3 days ago

They already lost users in authoritarian countries like Russia or China, where Signal is blocked and you can't get an SMS via a VPN, so registration or logging in with 2FA becomes impossible.

[-] Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 days ago

We had an encrypted chat for a bit before I realized it was completely pointless with literally everyone in it but one or two having entirely stock phones with in-built Ai and tracking mechanisms. We used XMPP.

Since it was for a Jellyfin server, it basically meant anyone on an unmodified Google or Apple phone was basically a door to a seach of that data from either company for the text logged into each chatroom by each user, and displayed. Unless everyone is secure, no one is.

[-] spacegoat@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

My biggest issue with Signal is that it doesn’t reliably work. I’ll message back and forth with a friend on there and then receive a text message a week later asking why I’m not responding on Signal. And it’s because I didn’t receive the messages.

[-] Paulemeister@feddit.org 7 points 3 days ago

Yeah happens to me from time to time. I think it's special treatment by Android OEMs. I think Samsung really likes to kill background apps even if explicitly told not to. see here.

Maybe It's expected behavior if Signal is not being used that often. Still weird WhatsApp never has that problem

[-] lambda@programming.dev 9 points 3 days ago

Never had that myself. My family and i have been using it exclusively for years now.the only tine we fallback is when someone is in an area without data or wifi. Maybe once a year.

[-] naticus@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

That's really weird. I use it for my out-of-band chat for work since we all mute our Teams after hours. It's been reliable the entire 3 years we've been using it. Maybe I'm just really lucky?

[-] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 days ago

Do you have google play services installed? If not, your power optimisation settings might prevent signal from running in the background, which it needs to to receive messages

[-] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Weird I have never experienced this (or it was so long ago I don't remember). We've been using Signal absolutely reliably for our family Chat for many years now, and also with other friends.

I don't think Google Play Services are required, but

your power optimisation settings might prevent signal from running in the background

could have sth to do with it. And that's accessible through Settings, an App Permissions thing IIRC (although I never needed to do that manually either).

PS: I sent you a dm on a different matter.

[-] darthelmet@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Works on my machine. :P

[-] SneakyWeasel@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

Ive had this issue as well. I find it happens when i leave my wifi and go to cell signal. Not sure if its the same for you. I dont think ive had it be almost a week later but its been a few hours or maybe a day

[-] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 4 days ago

This is the main reason I don't use Signal, so depending on if and how it gets implemented, I may finally use it. Getting other people on board will be its own fight of course.

[-] SusanoStyle@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It would be good if true, for a privacy first chat, asking for your phone number is the first and biggest red flag.

Someone knows how Delta Chat handles the spam problem? Or spam is only a problem that comes with wider adoption?

[-] Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org 11 points 4 days ago

Considering I've been sending everyone to Session instead, since I refuse to put a phone number linked to my name, address, and payment information in to a "privacy focused" messenger...

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago
[-] TheFrirish@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 12 points 4 days ago

Honestly in an effort to avoid american tools I went for ot then I found out the guy behind SimpleX is a climate change denier Maga supporter and all around lunatic and regardless that the project is open source I don't want to be found near that thing.

Sessions seems to be a decent alternative though but if I want a chance to convert people to try to use more privacy respecting chat tools Signal is the best compromise.

I have no idea if this is true or not. But I heard the government has an app called “Pegasus 2”that can read all of your signal messages as long as they know your phone number.

[-] Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org 13 points 4 days ago

The opnly confirmed thing I have heard is that they can read signal messages via your notifications, if they are enabled, so always check the app manually and do not use their push service.

[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

While the capabilities of Pegasus may vary over time due to software updates, Pegasus is generally capable of reading text messages, call snooping, collecting passwords, location tracking, accessing the target device's microphone and camera, and harvesting information from apps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_%28spyware%29

Once installed, Pegasus has been reported to be able to run arbitrary code, extract contacts, call logs, messages, photos, web browsing history, settings, as well as gather information from apps including but not limited to communications apps iMessage, Gmail, Viber, Facebook, WhatsApp, Telegram, and Skype.

[-] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 days ago

"Once installed" is operative here. Pegasus isnt a magic wand that you can swish to read all text messages on every phone. It needs to be deployed.

[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

"Once installed" is operative here. Pegasus isnt a magic wand that you can swish to read all text messages on every phone. It needs to be deployed.

indeed, unless you're a target for a state or a company that cares to spend money to spy on you, you don't need to worry about pegasus

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

If your phone has been compromised, nothing is safe. That’s not a signal problem.

Throw the phone away and get another one.

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[-] majster@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

In theory everything is possible because only Apple/Google+OEMs are running root on your device.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

Haven’t they been working on this for months? I could have sworn I heard of this well over a year ago.

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