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Two of my coworkers frequently mention shows like "Encounters" or "Ancient apocalypse" or whatever. I'm not the best at debating or forming arguments against these though I do feel strongly that bold claims require better evidence than a blurry photo and an eyewitness account. How do you all go about this?

Today I clumsily stumbled through conversation and said "I'll need some evidence" and was hit with "there's plenty of evidence in the episode 'Lights over Fukushima'". I didn't have an answer because I haven't watched it. I'm 99% sure that if I watch it it's gonna be dramatized, designed to scare/freak you out a little and consist of eyewitness accounts and blurry photos set to eerie music. But I'm afraid I just sound like a haughty know-it-all if I do assert this before watching.

These are good people and I want to remain on good terms and not come across as a cynical asshole.

(Sorry if language is too formal or stilted. Not my native tongue)

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[-] blargerer@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjhctHjnIbUgvin0ZlrsHg87l_k1RrKdf This playlist is very long, but this is a historian dunking on any sort of ancient alien or lost ancient technology theories.

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[-] Kit 4 points 2 years ago

Enjoy the shows as fiction and have conversations with the mindset of "but wouldn't it be cool if that was real?". Sometimes it's good to escape reality and pretend for a while. And it sounds like this would help you build a good rapport with your colleagues.

[-] livus@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

@SpaceAce this is firmly in the "I could teach you, but I'd have to charge" category. You're not their mother or their teacher so if they want to believe nonsense then let them.

There are some documentaries debunking Ancient Aliens though.

[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Off topic, but

(Sorry if language is too formal or stilted. Not my native tongue)

is unnecessary. You sound great! Completely natural. I would have assumed you were a native English speaker.

Anyway, as others have said, don’t waste your time arguing. Just have fun with it. They may be entertaining to listen to, and might turn into good friends. You’ll go crazy trying to debate them, though.

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[-] SpaceAce 3 points 2 years ago

Wow. Three hours 😅. Not before bed lmao

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[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago

Jason Colavito does the hard work so you don't have to. There's such a firehose of claims that it is almost possible to keep up with it all unless you are a fan. Colavito does a good job of keeping on the various series and pointing out the problems.

If you wanted to engage with people who are promoting this kind of thing you could try and engage on a more meta level rather than slog through each claim. They often rely on the argument from disbelief: I can't believe the ancients were capable of this, therefore it was aliens. Or you could point out that not believing ancient people were capable of building some monument and had to rely on aliens of Atlanteans is a bit racist. However, be warned, you'll soon be considered the Fun Police and you are better off letting it slide unless someone won't stop banging on about it.

[-] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago

Set phasers to full power!

[-] squiblet@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

The thing is that other than the odd true believer, most people who watch these things are not interested in engaging in an intellectual debate about them. It's essentially a diversion and light entertainment.

[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

I have a coworker who is heavy into numerology. I just always ask him to explain it to the new guy. It's always funny, because nobody ever expects it from him. He's a great colleague in every other aspect

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

I don't actually recommend this, but it could be fun to play the conspiracies off each other.

The 'controlled demolition' theory was concocted by the government to distract us. 'It was an inside job' was an inside job!

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

I say watch the shows and reach your own conclusions.

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