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[-] gemakey@lemmy.world 80 points 2 weeks ago

Sounds like a great way to curate a list of homelab targets. I'm good, thanks.

[-] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 weeks ago

Was just thinking that it would be such a juicy target for so many things. I also shall pass on this one.

[-] DaleGribble88@programming.dev 51 points 2 weeks ago

Epstein.didnotkillhim.self

[-] RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago
[-] palordrolap@fedia.io 41 points 2 weeks ago

Given the context, the four "Follow Us" links going to proprietary services does seem somewhat antithetical to .self ideals.

At the very least set up a Mastodon account somewhere in addition to those.

[-] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

At the very least set up a Mastodon account somewhere in addition to those.

Yes!

I want to get a huge banner flag with this sentence printed on it, and pay someone to run past various offices with it each day.

[-] Zier@fedia.io 25 points 2 weeks ago

Sometimes these new TLDs are just odd. And the odder they are, the more expensive they are.

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 8 points 2 weeks ago

The proposal is for them to be free, restricted to one per person.

[-] adarza@piefed.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

the pdf says a sub domain. which is something that could be provided by a single domain on an existing tld.

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 4 points 2 weeks ago

I interpret it as a subdomain of the top-level domain.

[-] Archr@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

gofuckyour.self

Sounds pretty funny. Can't wait to see what is hosted there.

I would guess either 50-50 it is a meme site or pron. No in between.

[-] ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

TLD's aren't the limitation... Public IPs are.. If it wasn't for Cloudflared, I couldn't run half the shit I run.

[-] ernest314@lemmy.zip 25 points 2 weeks ago

in an ideal world, ipv6 would solve that problem...

😔

[-] ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 3 points 2 weeks ago

I saw the rfc for IPV8 recently... It makes so much more sense than ipv6...and is backward compatible with ipv4...

Basically they're proposing prefacing 4 more octets into an IP address, so 172.16.5.1 would become 0.0.0.0.172.16.5.1

Any existing IPs would just assume the 0.0.0.0 in front of them...

Again...solves the problem on much the same way.

[-] mholiv@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Just fyi IPv8 was written by LLM with full on hallucinated citations and references. It isn’t being taken seriously by anyone.

It didn’t even make sense. It relies on DNS for nat and the like. Deranged networking plans from the non-mind of an LLM.

I recommend taking the time to learn IPv6 properly. It’s actually quite elegant and brings back the peer to peer, endpoint to endpoint connection ability of the old internet.

[-] ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

Oi...well that sucks ass. A good idea, badly conceptualized I guess.

[-] mholiv@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

I wouldn’t even say it was a good idea. Like the end to end NAT free internet is the ideal. IPv6 was built for that.

Even if IPv8 was not slop it would reenforce the idea of nat and hierarchy.

IPv6 allows for a democratized internet where anyone can choose to self host. And anyone can connect to anyone who is self hosting.

Because of this it’s a bit more complicated. But ideology it much better than IPv8. It brings us back what made the internet great in the 90s and 2000s, but at scale.

[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

I really like how ipv6 works; the downside is it's way more complicated for humans to understand. But then again all of networking gets complicated fast. I still don't really get what a CGNAT is.

[-] stardreamer 4 points 2 weeks ago

How is IPv6 harder to understand? It's just IPv4 with all the uncommon stuff stripped out and put into optional headers (which IPv4 also has), and a much longer address now written in hex.

CGNAT is just a fancy term for NAT done by a carrier. They get a special private IP address range for doing so, but fundamentally it's still NAT.

Now IP multicast, THAT is complicated for humans to understand. Especially the whole subscriber logic.

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[-] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I’m okay with IPv6, if I can get a hexadecimal keypad. I know, DNS solves it to a degree, but just pumping in link-local can be a keyboard dance.

Unfortunately, my ISP doesn’t yet offer IPv6 due to PPPoE to authenticate and authorize subscribers.

[-] mholiv@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Humans shouldn’t really be typing in IPs. Why not just use localhost for localhost and dns / mdns for lan machines? It’s such a nicer experience.

mdns works with link-local in the case of a private non connected lan.

[-] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

Dns doesn't always work, and seeing if you can connect via IP is often a troubleshooting step

[-] mholiv@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

True. But pinging IPs directly should only be done as a debug step when dns / mdns does not work. Aka extremely rarely.This all being said mdns is extremely reliable on lan. It’s literally just multicast dns on lan.

On my personal home network I have never had mdns fail in 5-ish years. FQDNs yah. DNS can break. But mdns has been solid.

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[-] ernest314@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago

I saw the RFC for IPv8 recently

nitpick, but I would say "an RFC", as there's been a number of these over the years


you've gotten a couple responses so far, but I think the central issue is that "complexity" isn't the problem with IPv6 (and one could certainly argue that IPv6 is actually simpler)--the problem is compatibility. This article lays out the issue very well, and also links to this article (which is a more specific look at the IPv8 proposal you refer to). Both point to the same conclusion, which is that fundamentally--on first principles--existing hardware does not know how to handle the upgrade, which will require some sort of dual-stacking, which is the issue IPv6 currently has. (Not its technical merit.)

[-] ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

True, good point. AN RFC...

To be fair, I never got IPV6... was too confusing. I've always been able to rattle off IPv4 addresses in my sleep. IPV6 just wasn't as natural.

[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago

That's not how header backward compatibility works. IPv4 routers would discard the packet, not prepend zeroes.

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[-] stardreamer 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Networking researcher here chiming in.

All IPv4 addresses can already be represented in the IPv6 address space, by the same method you describe here.

As for "backwards compatible with IPv4", I'm afraid that's not possible for the same reason IPv6 isn't getting major traction. Right now, we literally CANNOT upgrade our entire networking infrastructure. What you're proposing requires updating every switch and middlebox to support routing using additional bytes, which is physically impossible. The biggest problem would be middleboxes, which includes NAT router, firewalls, etc. For context: most middleboxes drop anything that is not IPv4/TCP or IPv4/UDP. This is why QUIC is encapsulated inside a UDP header (and funny enough, these vendors STILL didn't learn, trying to match a "QUIC header" despite Google themselves saying there is no fixed QUIC header), and RoCEv2 using a header that looks like UDP. There is absolutely no way a new L3 protocol that is not IPv4 (and in some cases, IPv6) can be supported by these boxes.

The only time we successfully replaced the L3 protocol was with the adaption of IPv4. In which networks were much smaller, and networking research was under the US DoD. The DoD basically gave an ultimatum that "if you don't switch to IP by this date we will cut your funding". That won't fly now that the Internet is managed by a cluster of ISPs.

Also: IPv6 is stupid simple. It's basically IPv4, with everything not commonly used stripped out (and added back with "optional headers", and a much larger address field. Since the address field is much larger, it is recommended to write them in hexadecimal, which looks more scary than IPv4.

Side note: I don't think any of these IP protocols is the solution here. If you only keep extending the address field, you're still gonna run into IP problems (routing, ddos, caching). The future of the Internet should be something like NDN. But for the same reason I described above, I don't think that's going to happen unless the Internet is a pile of smoldering ruins.

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[-] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I have a whole /56 of public IP addresses 😉

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 17 points 2 weeks ago

Why in the FUCK is this a PDF?

[-] 0x0@infosec.pub 7 points 2 weeks ago

I love how the comment section on their site just ended up being a format argument because of that, no interest in the actual topic lol

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 2 weeks ago

it's already got a paragraph of text, so clearly they can put text on their sites. PDFs are ass. I do not need to print this. Even then, HTML can be printed.

Like imagine if the rest of this Lemmy comment was in a PDF... Why the fuck would I do that? That's what this article feels like.

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[-] BromSwolligans@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago
upstream connect error or disconnect/reset before headers. reset reason: remote connection failure, transport failure reason: delayed connect error: Connection refused
[-] nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 6 points 2 weeks ago

The comment by ksymph sums up my thoughts exactly:

The principles behind this effort are admirable, but I’m concerned about the practical implementation. Who is funding this? How will one person per domain be verified? Is self-hosting actually required, or can one use an external host; in the case of the former, how would it be verified, and in the case of the latter, what exactly does this tld accomplish that isn’t accomplished by free tlds, tlds like .me, or services like duckdns? Open source software clients as described are a major undertaking; why keep them under the umbrella of this tld?

I respect the goals here, and I want this to succeed, but this is a massive project, and without a clear plan I’m afraid this will peter out even if the tld is granted.

[-] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

And label my hosts as “loners?” Why don’t I put a yard sign out saying “hack me?” I know security through obscurity isn’t security, but safety in numbers y’all.

[-] cesco@discuss.aethelgard.space 2 points 2 weeks ago

Wow this is a pretty fantastic initiative. I think digital privacy and self-hosting are both really gaining steam right now and anything that helps that momentum is great!

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