I bought Plex pass years ago for £79. The new price of $749.99 is INSANE.
No wonder all the cool people are using Jellyfin.
Jellyfin is always free, works great, and keeps getting better!
Been on jellyfin since day one. Works fine, UI is great and gets the job done. TV UI maybe not top notch, buy usable. Mobile UI just fine and usable.
Also, exposed on the internet (reverse proxy, OIDC, https the works) for years now with zero issues whatsoever as well .
There are a few users always throwing thrash on jellyfin, maybe pissed off users that paid for Plex, or Plex shills that like to denigrate jellyfin, I don't know.
Just ignore them.
Jellyfin is perfectly usable, yes you need to setup port forward, VPN or whatever, but it's exactly our target audience so move along and stop bitching, Plex shills.
Stay with Plex, use jellyfin, whatever fit your bill.
Anyway plex does not fit my concept of self hosting to be free from cloud lock ins.
I don't see anyone "throwing trash" on Jellyfin, only pointing out that there are some downsides. Just as it also has some advantages over Plex.
Plex is undoubtedly on a downward trajectory, and I'm glad Jellyfin exists. But it does not yet have feature parity with Plex, and if you use it for music there's simply nothing better than Plexamp. You waive away the requirements to remotely stream on Jellyfin, but the fact that you suggest simply opening up ports highlights that one of Plex's strengths is it's ability to remotely stream without jeopardizing your network security.
I run both concurrently, Plex for the remote streaming, OTA DVR, better living room apps, and (by far the biggest feature for me) for Plexamp. Jellyfin for proof of concept.
I'm not a Plex shill, and am preparing for a day that Jellyfin is the better answer. But for me and my users, that day hasn't yet arrived.
I tried Plex once, before I knew about jellyfin. I just wanted an open-source self-hostable media server with my own media.
When I tried it, after installing Plex, I was presented with a login for a Plex hosted account. Iirc that was optional and I skipped it, after that came the nags for Plex pass. Piss off. That's exactly the opposite of what I wanted out of something like jellyfin.
Oh yeah and apparently you can't stream remotely without a subscription either? If it were a feature they had to spend time on I'd still not want to use it, but I'd understand at least.
From the application's point of view, there is no difference between internet and intranet access. I just saw that downloading the media you already own, using your own infrastructure, requires an even more expensive subscription.
How tf did people stick around with this shit for so long.
The same reason most foss projects are barren. Plex focuses on ease of use and giving people what they want. Users mostly don't care about the sub. It's easy to use and works.
Meanwhile jellyfin doesn't have a remote first interface that isn't absolute dog shit and I need to set up a reverse proxy and potentially idp to get the ability for my family to log in.
This shit isn't hard. The answer to the community is, make the product better, and start bundling shit in. But I'm sure I've already offended some nerd who thinks this is all just so easy and requires no work to tell me I just need to learn Linux better. And that putting in a reverse proxy by default will make maintenance a pain and I just have to put portainer and LE to fix it.
The shit y'all are bitching about is the problem.
This shit isn’t hard
Well it certainly would be hard for me, as I don’t know anything about the UX needed for these features, and very little about networking in general, and probably close to zero about the networking concepts required to make something like you describe work.
But it sounds like you know a lot, jellyfin is a project that is 100% volunteer developed. Maybe you could contribute your expertise either via code or by providing a concrete action plan to the jellyfin team?
Be the change you want to see and all that.
who is this for?
those unicorn users who make 150k++ a year and pirate all their media and then wanna share it with their friends that they don't have?
I don't think there is an actual target for this price. But I bet my left testicle it's to push for subscription passes instead of a single purchase.
Edit: fuck it, take the right one as well
travelling salesmen who pirate all their media??
To be fair there are plenty of users who rip their own media. But sentiment stands
I do wonder if this is a last ditch effort cash grab before they go under or a "we really thought we'd be acquired by now so now we have to plan ahead" move.
Was any justification provided for a nearly 10x price increase!?
Glad I started with Jellyfin
It's because lifetime licenses aren't sustainable. I'm surprised they still offer it.
Plex is an actual company that has an office and employees, so they have recurring costs every month. A lot of people already have lifetime licenses that they're not likely to receive any more revenue from. It's likely they're increasing the price to help recoup costs or convince people to subscribe to a monthly subscription rather than get a lifetime license.
Nah, they increased the cost to drive people to the monthly subscription. I'm guessing in a year or two they'll announce the lifetime subs have been revoked and everyone needs a monthly sub.
You know that even if you paid that ridiculous amount, it still wouldn't be the last time they try to get money out of you, either.
After 16 years of having a lifetime pass (and nearly 20 years of administering multiple Plex servers), I know this to be false. And, unless you have one yourself, you could not possibly know. Especially because, with a lifetime pass, there’s no other way that could possibly ask for money from a user. It’s literally impossible.
But, if I’m wrong, show proof of your lifetime pass, and the solicitous emails you received subsequently. I know you can’t.
If you’re going to speak from such obvious ignorance, it should be easy to admit when you’re wrong
Most Lemmy users, however, never find such a thing so easy…
I think it's more that they're implying the company is likely to get worse in the future and start trying shit, not what they've already experienced. The price now being nearly 10x what it once was is a pretty big red flag, after all.
jellyfin: hey here i am you can have me for free. i even run on your own server.
Yeah but I hear they recently decided to raise their pricing by like 30%.
Joke being 30% of 0 is still 0
Lifetime single pay subscriptions don’t make financial sense at all for a company. As much as I hate subscriptions, it’s the only way to get long term support, which software needs.
If Jellyfin can fill most Plex features for most people, maybe it’s not that they need to charge money to survive. Maybe it’s that their product value proposition has eroded.
Certainly, but open source projects rely too heavily on the goodwill of volunteers who still need to feed their families. Hopefully Jellyfin’s incoming users contribute to the project.
They managed years without going to a subscription model. This is about shareholder needs not software upkeep.
You'll retain your existing lifetime pass, fwiw. This is just price gouging new customers.
I bought one ages ago, but I left for Jellyfin when I ditched Windows. I hated the direction Plex has been going for years - if I wanted a content streaming service, I would have signed up for one... I just wanted a good way to stream stuff from my media server to my other stuff.
Jellyfin is basically what plex would have been if they didn't lobotomize themselves.
Even now - at the peak point of the Memory/SSD price bubble - about 1/3 of that lifetime pass buys you enough dedicated hardware to do it yourself for at least the next decade, probably more.
I mean, yeah that's crazy, but jellyfin does have a proper audio player yet? Plexamp is just way too good and the main reason I'm not switching..
What do you mean? there are so many audio clients that can can connect to jellyfin. finamp, jellyamp, sonixd, .... What is it you're missing in a jellyfin audioplayer?
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