Man...some people in these comments need to log off. Just step away, homies. Let's get that autonomous nervous system regulated so we're not having activation over disagreeable texts on the screen 🥀🥀🥀
To be fair, you "leftists" are trying to make the world a worse place.
Most of the "leftist" things coming out of ml are how great fascist dictatorships are or opinions on how to make sure liberal nations never progress from liberal leadership.
Try working towards some actual improvement in this world before you command respect.
fascism grows from liberal democracy. so preventing liberal progress is good, actually.
While you completely ignore communist fascism.
that's an oxymoron.
Is it? I'm hot here championing capitalism, but are you prepared to ignore the following? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Baltic_states https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C8%99escu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enver_Hoxha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mengistu_Haile_Mariam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
Is this your marxism fantasy? Fucking over the working people for some cunts to enrich themselves by subjugating people? I would love a socialist society that actually benefits people, but it seems like all of this ml crowd doesn't give a fuck about actual working people.
I'm fairly convinced by this comment that you're not aware of what fascism is. Because while we can all deplore the horrors of the Khamer Rogue there is no way to describe it as capitalist. Yet you cannot be a fascist without capitalism. Essentially that's what fascism is, capitalism in overdrive. You're talking about authoritarianism, of which there is plenty to deplore.
communism is a stateless classless society. fascism is a rigidly stratified society that venerates the state. you can't be a communist fascist.
Except that's absolutely not true.
Do you consider kim jung un to be of the same class as the rest of north korea?
Did you consider Joseph Stalin to be the same class as the soviet states?
It's insane that you ignore this shit
sounds like those aren't communist societies
I am surprised how many liberals are on Lemmy that was billed to me as a traditionally more leftist space. Then again they were chased of reddit and have to make a shit bed somewhere.
Most .world users are just reddit users that got banned. And reddit has always been liberal to far-right.
They are too fucking ignorant to see social media was intentionally fragmented on Reddit and Twitter to prevent actual change. They weakened and diluted all organizational power by pushing towards Lemmy and Bluesky and have created toxic environments in both
There's a bit of comedy in this, the reactionaries love bullying and pushing liberals away from those platforms. Then they get bored of them because there's no one to "own" anymore. So they migrate to the platforms they went to. Just feel that most lemmy instances will shit stop a reactionary out of existence for a hint of being a CHUD.
300 years of liberals stabbing leftists in the back and literally training fascist kill squads to murder us yet they are shocked when we don't consider them allies.
Are "leftist memes" in question the Stalin quotes or did I miss something?
Yup. Just like the famous quote in the meme.
Imagine continuing to promote infighting while a fascist dictatorship is forming
When leftists say abolish the police, liberals side with the police.
When leftists say abolish borders, liberals side with border enforcement.
When leftists seek to dismantle fascist systems of oppression, liberals side with the fascists.
Leftists calling out the hypocrisy of liberals is not infighting, it is an open attack against an enemy that cosplasys as left while actively aiding and abetting fascist ideolgies with "both sides have valid points" bullshit.
Liberals want to go back to Obama's America, but refuae to reconcile with the fact that Obama's America still dropped bombs on schools and used violent force to deport immigrants and attack marginalized communities.
Liberals only want business as usual, with the violence kept out of their line of sight. Leftists are actively seeking to dismantle systems of oppression, and replace them with systems that take action to reduce harm. They are not the same.
Infighting suggests liberals are on the same side as leftists. Liberlas have enabed that fascism you claim to be fighting
Keep on fighting the fight that leads to worse outcomes - feelings over results, I always say!
The one that leads to worse outcomes is pretending liberals are reasonable people and won't just implement fascism themselves to prevent socialism.
It's 50 years of liberals being liberals that has resulted in worse outcomes
Liberal is not left. It's been conflated to mean that in the minds of reactionaries so anyone further left than they are appear as the enemy.
Liberals are not on the "in" with leftists. It's just normal fighting. And I hope one day the libs will lose.
Is there an option in mod tools to remove your community from the karma sorting algorithm and instead make it subscriber only? Because I’d wager you’re complaining about outsiders, considering the number of subscribers.
Not complaining, just pointing out. This isnt something that only happens here, it's every leftist space
Your memes about how there's no difference between Obama and Trump shows up on the front page of every instance. Maybe don't publicly advertise your memes if you don't want a public response.
I don't care about the response.
Isn't this meme literally about you caring about the response?
Significantly less so on .ml, but otherwise yeah
Criticism and exclusion have conflicting goals. Criticism is about inciting critical thinking and reflection, hopefully change. It allows for more engagement across viewpoints and builds cohesion. Exclusion reinforces bubbles and pushes communities to senescence.
Not really. Any open space is just going to be dominated by the majority viewpoint simply through numbers and if you don't have walled gardens it becomes impossible to discuss contrary perspectives. Most of the "critiques" that liberals bring to the table are just repeating the same talking points over and over, accusing us of being Russian bots or secret Trump supporters or whatever, and repeating the same pointless arguments over and over again.
Even if two people try to have an intelligent conversation in good faith, the fact that people are waiting to jump down someone's throat or take things out of context and go like, "Aha! This proves you're secretly an accelerationist!" colors the conversation and keeps everyone on guard. It's the same concept of if you let conservatives/reactionaries into a space, their perspective adds nothing to the conversation and makes it harder to discuss anything intelligently.
This is the whole concept of the fediverse, tbh. To allow for "walled gardens" that can still have opportunities to interact with each other. My ideas are far more challenged in spaces where I share certain basic assumptions than they would be by anything liberals or reactionaries have to say.
By going sub only you also prevent a lot of in-group from finding it while leaving the gates open to raiders/trolls...
For people not engaging with the ideas you have moderation which may take a community lead approach towards rules and actions. Slap on wrist, temp bans, and longer term bans work for individual bad faith actors. Honestly this works well on dbzero even if its not "perfect".
A better argument for more aggressive exclusionary action I can see is if the community's moderation efforts are overwhelmed leading to moderator burnout.
The fediverse is focused on creating social media platforms on an open framework without the pitfalls of corporate run closed platforms. The ability to create walled gardens is a feature of that greater endeavour.
I think one of the greatest challenges the left has is to combat the learned helplessness of liberal society which leads to such things as bootlicking propaganda regurgitation. Because state and corporate media have immense resource investment and capture this is always going to be a battle fought by talking with individuals who haven't been pushed to think so critically about their inherited philosophical position. Fighting that change is just part of learning.
Ahh the follow up to yesterday’s post!
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