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[-] Hund@feddit.nu 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I don't know who this is, but he clearly made some people here upset. :D

The whole post is about him not finding any sensible use for a 1 Gbit Internet connection for himself. He never ever mention any one else.

I really don't understand how this can be offensive for anyone else. Why is he not allowed to have an option about himself?

PS. I do believe that the title is somewhat click-bait though.

[-] timochka@lemmy.zip 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

What a dumb take.

I make full use of my gigabit broadband (in both the places I have it - Bucharest and Bangkok), so there very much is a "point". I'm not going to bother enumerating all the ways I use it though, because the response will just be "ohhhh, but normal users don't do that". But exceptions are normal - the mistake being made here is assuming that you represent the whole human race just because you don't have a need for something.

Personally I think sanitary towels are useless, because I've never needed one and indeed the majority^* of the population don't need them...

This is just a cope post; "gigabit broadband is so fucking expensive in the UK I'm trying to justify it not being necessary". My gigabit fibre in Bucharest costs about 8eur/month, in Bangkok 15eur/month. I suspect if broadband in the UK were reasonably priced, this blog post would never have been conceived...

^* before you argue, remember (pre-)puberty and menopause are things.

[-] rmuk@feddit.uk 2 points 6 days ago

I kind-of agree, however there's absolutely a lot of benefits in having low-latency Internet. Given the choice between, say, 500Mb/s cable and 50Mb/s FTTP I'd go for the latter any day, but the reality is that most people who are on FTTP will just go for the faster options because they're cheap and readily available.

[-] AstroLightz@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

For me, the jump from 8 megabit (yes, 8) to 1000 megabit is a huge difference, and has become vital to my work flow.

So, ruling it out entirely is out of the question for me. It might be overkill to some, but definitely not for me.

[-] Humanius@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

While I agree that there is no real use for gigabit for the average person, I disagree that rolling out gigabit everywhere is pointless.

For anyone who wants to use the internet for more than the consumption of content, the old upload speeds were a significant barrier. Gigabit, and especially gigabit upload speeds largely removed those barriers.

Symmetric gigabit in every home has taken away a bottleneck for people who want to, for example, run a bandwidth intensive internet business from their home. It provides people with opportunities they might otherwise not get.

[-] Mihies@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago

Symmetric gigabit is this a thing, tho? Usually consumer level broadband can be huge download, but meekly upload no matter the tech used because they'd like to sell you more expensive options. That said I'd benefit greatly with it. And agree with you (and partially OP) that it's not for everybody. But those of us who need it, it'd be awesome.

[-] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago

I have 2 gig symmetric fiber and it costs $70 a month.

Speed tests confirmed that I'm actually getting 2 up 1.8 down consistently.

I have my whole house wired with cat 5e and it's pretty nice.

[-] femtek 2 points 1 week ago

Same, my ISP offers 8gb symmetrical but it's basically their business plan for like $500 a month. I was able to max out my NVME drive downloading games though on the 2gb plan.

[-] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It is, in locations with consumer fiber. Had it at the last place I lived, and hands down it was the hardest thing to give up when we moved.

[-] oats@piefed.zip 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I have fiber in my basement and could book gbit. Upstream is still nerfed, currently I have 250mbits down, 50 up

Edit: disregard that, just checked with my ISP and apparently I have an old plan, and could book 1 gig symmetric. For thrice the cost, though

[-] Mihies@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

Cool, I wish we had that in Slovenia. Currently on 1000/100 fiber. 🥹

[-] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

Yes, it is, but with fiber. I have 1 gig up and down through my county's public fiber network, with a future option to expand up to 2.5 gig symmetric.

[-] Mihies@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

Technically it is with fiber, what operator offers you is another story. I'm glad for you, I wish I had the same option. If you don't mind, what country and price?

[-] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

I'm in Western Washington State in the US, I pay $65/mo.

[-] Humanius@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In the Netherlands symmetric fiber is the standard. I don't think any company that offers fiber offers less than symmetric speeds

I have 1000 down / 1000 up personally.
They offer plans ranging from 100 / 100 to 8000 / 8000 at my address.

The only company that doesn't offer symmetric is Ziggo, because they made the (wrong) bet that they didn't need to invest in fiber. They only offer up to 1000 / 50 over coax.

[-] Mihies@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

That's as it should be. Lucky you. I'm with A1 (Vodaphone, 2nd biggest Slovene operator) which offers 1000/100 by default without an option to upgrade. Perhaps one can get faster speeds, but then it should get it as company at company price. The biggest one (just checked) offers 1000/300 with an option to upgrade. Perhaps I should check it out...

[-] Humanius@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

1000/300 sounds like coax to me. That is the exact theoretical speed Ziggo could deliver if they upgraded their network to DOCSIS 3.1.. But ofc upgrading is expensive, so they don't do it.

I'm with Odido myself. That is a rebrand of the Dutch branch of T-Mobile.
Quite happy with their service generally. The mechanics had no idea what they were doing when connecting everything up, but once it was working it all worked flawlessly.

[-] Mihies@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago

It's not coax, just the speed is. But you can upgrade it, they say. We have a pretty good fiber coverage in Slovenia.

[-] tb_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

On my previous coax connection upload was severely limited, even if download went up to gigabit. Now that we have fibre we can get 1 gig up and down.

[-] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 1 points 1 week ago

I'm meant to be getting it this summer when they finish building around here. Very much looking forward to not having that bottleneck at the edge of my local network.

[-] edent@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I know it is a bit churlish to complain that people haven't read the post, but I literally say in it:

To be clear, I think it is a great thing that the UK Government is pushing ISPs to deploy gigabit everywhere. It isn't at all useful now, but will probably be crucial in the future.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

they just disproved your point

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago

This whole blog post is moronic, if you don't need it, buy a smaller package.
For me the extra price is peanuts, and it's absolutely amazing to be able to play a new game minutes after I bought it instead of hours.

Before we moved we didn't have fiber, and downloading a game could take so long that I would have to wait until the next day to play it after starting to install it.

This also means that I can uninstall games I don't use without worrying if I might want to play it later, this spares me from needing massive storage.

I also prefer to preload media to watch on our media center/TV, and it's nice to be able to have a movie ready in a matter of a couple of minutes.

[-] adarza@piefed.ca 1 points 1 week ago

if you don’t need it, buy a smaller package.

if that were only possible here. i'd love to pay 10 percent of my bill for 10 percent of the speed. that'd be $10 for 50mbps. the cable company 'discontinues' slower speeds, calls it a 'free' upgrade (but you don't actually get it unless you know about it and call in and navigate their bullshit in order to actually get it 'free'), then raises rates anyway (even on those that did not 'upgrade'). every. single. year. the only other provider is the telephone company. needless to say, they're even worse.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

i’d love to pay 10 percent of my bill for 10 percent

That's not how it works, you generally pay 20% less for half the speed. Because speed is not the main price factor anymore. The logistics and cabling are.
I we didn't have 500 Mbit and above, you'd probably have to pay the same for 100 Mbit as we do for 1 Gbit today.

The price is in the cabling, maintenance and support. And none of those change much from having higher speeds.

[-] adarza@piefed.ca 1 points 1 week ago

city power here charges households $10 a month for that, the infrastructure and 'account servicing'; and bill usage at cost. electric distribution costs a hell of a lot more than coax. so make that hypothetical bill $20, then. better paying $20 for what you'll use and need than $100 for wasted service. it costs the big providers a few pennies per mbps to provide unthrottled, uncapped wireline broadband in the u.s., your bill is almost entirely profit for them.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

No that's not true, there is actually competition here and a very transparent market.
30 years ago when 2 Mbit/s was relatively new here, ADSL on existing phone lines had a price of 69,- €. (cheapest provider at the time)
Even without accounting for inflation, the price now is cheaper for 1 Gigabit, despite the old ADSL was based on existing cables! And 1 Gbit obviously is on fibre optic cables made specifically for internet connection.

The cost of establishing fiber networks was expensive, and it is only recently that some of the companies are turning decent profits, and I think most of the profit is on selling TV packs and extra services like cloud storage and virus protection. My internet bill has about 5 points of extra services that all have a nice round zero on them. 😋

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I have made the measurements, and at 500 Mbit/s I actually got a bit more than 5x what I had at 100 Mbit/s. Actually my 500 Mbit connection ran as 550, because the rated speed here is the guaranteed speed of the connection. So the only limitation is the server at the other end.

It is true however that 1 Gbit/s didn't quite double the 500 Mbit/s speed, Actual measured facts beat speculation.
But your examples of steeply diminishing returns are not true.

[-] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 26 points 1 week ago

Yeah, OK.

Who does this guy work for? Comcast?

[-] eleitl@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

It's not gigabit if you've got 110 Mbit/s upstream.

[-] SCmSTR 2 points 1 week ago

I want gigabyte internet

[-] lengau@midwest.social 12 points 1 week ago

I have to move very large (5 GB or larger) files around over the internet quite often. I am thankful to the 99% of people who are buying gigabit broadband despite absolutely not needing it for making it cheap and convenient for me.

[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

I actually agree with this. The lowest speed my fiber ISP offers is symmetrical 300 by 300 unless you qualify as a low-income individual and then you can get a 100 by 100 plan for cheaper than that.

Personally, I think that's bullshit, and that anybody who wants to have the 100x100 plan should be able to have it without having to go through any kind of qualification step.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

what are you agreeing with? this is an entirely different thing.

[-] Joelk111@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

100x100 would honestly be an upgrade for me at 400x40. I'm so tired of my shitty upload speeds.

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago

A gigabit connection means you can torrent your Linux ISOs in seconds. If it's a symmetric connection, you can also backup your files up to the cloud without having to ship hard drives.

[-] palordrolap@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago

I get that there's a relatively distilled Linux user base here in the Fediverse, but what percentage of that group really needs ISOs that quickly, and presumably, often?

Is this to suggest that we'd try more distros if we didn't have to weigh the time needed to download them?

The cloud idea is better. It would be nice to be able to essentially quicksave to off-site before logging off for an extended period, or even periodically.

On the other hand, how many gigabytes does the average person need to back up on a regular basis? Even power users don't generate that much data, and I'd expect that they'd have some kind of rolling backup that does files at a time.

[-] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 6 points 1 week ago

We're talking about "Linux ISOs" here. They often use the same distributed delivery networks as Linux ISOs to reduce the need for expensive file servers and prevent single points of failure.

[-] kboos1@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I work from home and sometimes have large file transfers, and the rest of the house is also using it at the same time. 1gig wasn't necessary but it is appreciated.

There are many houses that don't need it and don't even come close to justifing the purchase, but faster internet and utility infrastructure upgrades are always a good thing.

I've been saying this for years. For 95% of the population, 100Mbps is overkill. The same goes for flagship mobile devices, the entry level model is more than most people need.

[-] thisfro@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago

Where I live, 1Gbps symmetric is usually the standatd package around 40$/month, with 2.5, 10 and up to 25 available. Maybe ypu can find 100 or 500Mbps, but it's only marginally cheaper (or even more expensive).

Do most people need it? Probably not though.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Nice

And all sites should do that choice thing via radio buttons (works without js). CSS has @layer (and also @supports) for a reason.

[-] edent@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Glad you like it!

[-] lichengeese@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

Symmetric gigabit is great for DDoS botnet operators.

The aggregate bandwidth capacity of these networks exceeds 100 Tbps — more than most national internet backbones can absorb. And symmetric gigabit fiber rollouts keep making the math worse: average upstream bandwidth per compromised endpoint increased 75% year-over-year in North America.

[-] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

I'm on 500/500 because my firewall throughput is about 700Mbps. I could go up to 3Gbps symmetrical. However, I have not been able to find any non-enterprise level hardware that supports above 2.5Gbps.

I'm curious if anyone here has hardware recommendations that isn't the provider provided stuff that can make use of >1Gbps

[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

An SFP-capable router (like Mikrotiks) and fs.com transceivers

[-] baronvonj@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago

https://firewalla.com/products/firewalla-gold-pro

It's not cheap. I've been using firewall for a couple years and it's been a really good experience.

[-] PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My tinfoil senses project a not so distant future, where most computing happens in the cloud, and consumers only having a low-powered terminal to the essential mainframe. I know from Genetec customer stories, organizations (including public authorities) love using fiber-optics for surveillance systems (to be able to scale said systems, and/or reduce the compression-ratio of the feeds), and similarly the increased bandwidth provided by 5G (convenient for live-streaming the increasing numbers of cameras inside busses for example; but also other modern vehicles like cars, which increasingly share sensory data to update a map in real time: used as the primary means of navigating autonomous vehicles, instead of solely relying on machine vision.

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