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Canadian airmen are not going to be pleased with this one. Although the small lapse in reconnaissance capability is probably well worth the long term strategic planning and sovereignty benefits.
Why are there so many people in this thread simping for the United States?
Yeah. So many sad fans of expensive support heavy trash
This is starting to become a movement: countries going with Non-US tech or converting from it, and that's probably for the best, given the general lack of ethics and insatiable greed of US-based tech companies and the people who lead them.
Gripen is next. With a factory coming to Canada to produce them, under the wise guidance of our Swedish friends. Win-win for Canada, although buying war machines is a lose-lose for humanity.
I agree with you friend, that buying war machines is a lose-lose, but I also think is necessary, to avoid situations like the invasion from greedy old men, like what Russia attempted with Ukraine
It isn't strategic for Canada to invest in its airforce, because it is mostly useless for the types of wars Canada may find itself into:
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A foreign (non-American) adversary attacks Canada: won't be necessary since the United States will intervene automatically as it doesn't want to have a (probably nuclear capable) enemy at its border.
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The United States attacks Canada: The airforce will probably be destroyed on the ground as they did with Iran. Asymmetrical warfare will be Canada's best leverage here.
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Canada attacks a foreign nation for some reason: This is just going to fail abysmally. Reminder that Canada doesn't even operate an aircraft carrier. If it attacks as part of a coalition, the CAF won't be the determining factor in victory or defeat.
Strong fences make good neighbours
If Canada buys the Gripen, it's basically an admission that they have no plans of using them on a modern battlefield, as their survivability would be extremely low. The same goes for any sub 5th generation platform.
And you know what? That's probably okay. The only modern war Canada would be likely to engage in, is one where they're fighting alongside the United States, and that doesn't seem like it would happen anytime soon either.
If Canada buys the Gripen, it’s basically an admission that they have no plans of using them on a modern battlefield,
Correct, we don't.
What I should have said, is that buying the Gripen is an admission that they are voluntarily forfeiting their ability to fight a modern war.
And i'm not saying that's a bad thing. What I am saying is that an acquisition program for a 4th generation fighter in the year 2026 is an incredible waste of resources.
Might as well hold out and wait to acquire a 6th gen European platform, which should be available in the early 2040s.
What I should have said, is that buying the Gripen is an admission that they are voluntarily forfeiting their ability to fight a modern war.
I should have put it differently as well; what I meant was that Canada simply doesn't have the capability to fight a modern war, and it never will. There's too great of a differential between our main adversaries ( historically the USA, more recently Russia, and in a more far-fetched way China and India) and Canada; the metrics will never match up.
Come to think of it, Canada has never fought a war per se. It has only assisted in wars, usually as part some sort of Anglo-American coalition. I argue that we shouldn't get involved in British or American wars (like we recently declined with Iran) and hence we wouldn't really need any fighter capability. But in any case, even as part of an allied coalition, Canada will not be able to be the difference maker in the fight. We cannot determine the outcome of a war, that will be up to what our allies can make happen.
And therefore, we will not be starting any war; we might begrudgingly join one, in which case our allies will have to carry the day. None of these cases requires a powerful fighter fleet.
Might as well hold out and wait to acquire a 6th gen European platform, which should be available in the early 2040s.
Relying on the Europeans to achieve anything is basically a waste of time. Sure they may be able to do it, after long delays, but as I mentioned, 6th gen isn't the point. The recon planes are a better asset that will actually see practical use; I would have preferred to see the E-3 Sentry get selected over this radar mounted on a business jet thing, but no one is going to cry over Boeing missing a contract. Maybe the Americans could put some duct tape on the ones they "damaged" in Iran and call it refurbished?
You shouldn't. But you should have the capability to fight a modern war in case you or your allies come under attack. Neither Russia nor America look all too friendly right now, having a capable defensive military seems less and less optional.
It will do just fine against anything Russia has, and not as much of a money pit as the Fail-35. Unless Canada goes back to requiring a twin engine the Gripen was always the best choice, otherwise it's down to the Rafale, Eurofighter, or Super Hornet. Then the Super Hornet has an advantage that it should be familiar to RCAF pilots and cost of training should initially be lower.
It will do just fine against anything Russia has
Against anything it has left.
Ukraine just bought a shit load of them today. Can't be all bad.
That's because they don't have a choice.
The Gripen is a good 4.5 generation platform, but we're almost at the dawn of 6th generation fighters.
Building your modern first air force around 4th generation platforms is generally a bad idea, which is why Canada abandoned that idea previously.
But understandably, when your only option for 5th gen fighters is now openly antagonistic towards you, that changes the calculations.
But understandably, when your only option for 5th gen fighters is now openly antagonistic towards you, that changes the calculations.
That's not entirely true; we have the Chinese option. Although I doubt any politician would have the courage to even consider it.
China would not sell a NATO country their 5th generation airframes for the same reason why Turkey was booted from the F-35 program for purchasing S-400s from Russia.
Probably correct; although we will never know until an offer is made. That's why it will just remain a hypothetical.
Gripen is good at what it's designed for.
It was designed very intentionally around the challenges of defending Sweden during the Cold War.
US is planning to take over Canada and Greenland for their resources , like they did with Venezuela
US wants to take over these countries but have 0 plans lol. They said they would take Iran in 24 hours, good luck taking Montreal.
The descendants of Lafayette will likely end up northward in that kind of conflict, in which case the US is fucked.
Makes sense. Endless grafting with no real innovation has made US mil tec questionable. F-35 was downed in its first actual combat mission that was not a balloon.
So much going on in that little comment of yours. The F-35 borrowed from the F-22 while reducing cost to become the JSF. It was effectively a downgrade on purpose
The F-22 was optimized for
- air superiority
- speed
- maneuverability
The F-35 was optimized for
- multirole strike missions
- affordability (relative to the F-22)
- exportability
Also, your claim the F-35 was “downed in its first actual combat mission that was not a balloon” is not true. (A) There is still no confirmed combat shootdown of an F-35. And (B) F-35s have conducted non-balloon-related combat operations for years in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
So.. not sure what you think you know, but it seems to be incorrect.
There is still no confirmed combat shootdown of an F-35.
And you think you're going to have this data made available during a war?
And (B) F-35s have conducted non-balloon-related combat operations for years in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
Against an enemy with no air defense. A biplane wouldn't have been shot down either.
The f-35 is an indescribable wastage of money
Well saan aaf a bitch!
Swapping one Nazi plane for another.
Huh
I guess its just brain damage. You know all kinds of people are roaming around here.
He should try rotating a cow with his mind
It's free!
We have Jimmi Åkerson, with the old fascist slicked back hair style (same as Hegseth) but the PM and most the gov are far too boring to be Nazis. They are the 'cut the tax on diesel' flavour of right wing idiots, not the orange cheeto flavour.
Personally, I disagree. The rest of the right wingers only care to remain in power and fill the pockets of them and their friends. Anything social doesn’t really matter to them, and since SD is the linchpin to their power, they’ll gladly implement Nazi politics because it doesn’t matter in either direction to them.
An enabler is also culpable, even if they don’t actively push for the abuse. Table of Nazis, kind of thing.
Sweden is no where near the USA... Please re-evaluate what who consider a Nazi...
only for a few more months!
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