Permanently until next time.
It would be hilarious if Chinese companies were the ones that punctured the investment bubble around AI in America.
Yes, almost like that's why there's a bubble despite the obvious disparity between both states' ability to maintain an adequate infrastructure for this technology. US companies are looting with the full expectation that the cost of the economic fallout will be shifted to taxpayers. They're getting as much value out of this before China inevitably becomes dominant even in the US sphere of influence as the US simply will never be able to compete after decades of neoliberal politics and the erosion of public works.
The lower prices could be aimed at undercutting the competition.
Mobster voice: Sure would be a pity if the monetization potential of those 2 huge IPOs (3 if you count SpaceX with xAI deadweight rolled in) went boom when that's all that's holding your economy out of recession (depression depending on how they cook the books).
The way SpaceX IPO got crammed into index, it’s invulnerable to anything but an immediate incarceration of everybody involved.
Index funds will be required to buy the stocks at a listing price before market can decide how much they are worth exactly.
Afterwards, “economy in a recession” is synonymous to “free buffet” to those at the reins.
Shit I didn't know about this. I wonder if there are any funds that won't buy into this crap.
Yep this will be the fourth or fifth record breaking upward transfers of wealth I've lived through. I really don't want to live through another.
Yeah, the whole plan is to have every US citizen's 401k's autobuy into the SpaceX IPO.
Your retirement fund is Elon's exit liquidity.
Its a truly fantastic fraud.
Because... the Nasdaq... well a few weeks ago it changed its rules on the delay time between an IPO and it being part of the index, the index that everyone's 401k's buy into.
I guess you could say its going to be 'epic' when this all blows up.
See this is basically how the us economy works:
Poors roll over negative equity into their next car loan.
The ever diminishing 'middle class' basically does the same with homes, helocs, etc.
The owners roll over debt via corporate amalgamations.
But because the rich have a magical legal barrier of 'all the bad and dumb things i do are a legal fiction doing them, not me personally', well, the legal fiction gets what its due and/or evaporates when it can't pay what it owes... and the rich remain on top.
Yeehaw!
All that and it still won’t talk about the Tiananmen Square massacre
but it will absolutely learn a lot about everyone who wanted to talk about it
Are they eating the cost? How are they able to do it while others are unable to?
They invented a hybrid attention design that drastically reduces the amount of memory needed for the KV cache at inference time. Like, dividing it by 10. And memory is a large part of the cost of inference.
This is a main part of the reason, yes. They actually innovated and did something that pushed the technology forward to be much more efficient, which we first saw with DeepSeek R1 for different reasons.
The American models are eating their cost big time, in return they get user data to train on and a massive reality distortion field that can theoretically be exploited later. It costs less for DeepSeek to eat their cost, and maybe the value of that user data is worth it now? Maybe there is some Chinese VC getting involved to try and boost DeepSeek with a little reality distortion field they can attempt to exploit later? I don't know, but all these seem plausible to me.
easy: users pay the difference with their data

Yeah because american tech companies never spy on your or steal your data...
i never said that. In fact, openai gives for free 2.5 million of gpt-5.5 tokens every day if you share all your inputs for training.
It was the answer to "why it's this cheap?" => because it's subsidized by your data
I think what they meant is "why is this so cheap relative to American competitors since they're all stealing your data just as much."
Prices are funny. My last job we were changing clients extra for doing a thing that didn’t cost us anything and was fast to do. How much we charged was completely arbitrary and depended on the partners mood. It’s all made up folks.
Yeah, which is why the "if minimum wage increases, so will prices" aregument is BS. They were going to charge the highest price they thought they could either way, the difference is that they are forced to increase the amount that goes to the people they are trying to pay the least.
“Permanently” lol it’s a subscription and the terms say they can change the price at any time. How is it legal for them to advertise with the word “permanent”?
I think it's meant to convey that it's not a temporary deal on the old price, but a permanent new price point.
Permanent under the current pricing model, subject to change.
“permanently” means nothing when it comes to technology
I see you have never made a temporary fix in software.
DeepSeek never said it was permanent in their pricing materials, the article writer did. They are just taking the current expiration date off an existing discount. It's absolutely a shot across the bow at Claude, OpenAI, et al., but the author was click-baiting, as is tradition.
No?
The deepseek-v4-pro model API pricing will be officially adjusted to 1/4 of the original price after the 75% discount promotion ends on 2026/05/31 15:59 UTC.
Matter of Interpretation. It's not a time-limited discount anymore so it's "permanent" in that sense, but there's no commitment to not again raise the price later.
All about energy, and energy cost plays a role here, DeepSeek can go cheaper than western models...
It's not the whole picture, but I think people would be interested in this :
All numbers in AI are made up it's wild to see tankies glaze DeepSeek's fake numbers while being skeptical of Western corporations' numbers
Not glazing when its simply enjoying watching China beat the US at its own game
Still doesn't know what happened at Tiananmen Square, but can tell in detail how protests were brutally ended a few years later in South Africa...
Now ask western models about israel.
I don't have accounts for the large models, but I tried out some of the free ones on https://duck.ai/
Prompt:
Name up to 10 negative things Israel has done in the last 10 years
GPT 5-mini answer:
I can list up to 10 actions by the Israeli government, military, or state-associated actors from the last decade that critics and many international observers have described as negative. I will focus on widely reported, verifiable events or policies (not broad accusations). If you want sources for any item, tell me which ones and I’ll fetch them.
- Expansion of Israeli settlement construction and approvals in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, including outposts declared unlawful under Israeli law but supported politically, undermining prospects for a two‑state solution.
- Enforcement actions, demolitions, and eviction orders against Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, often justified by lack of permits.
- Large-scale military operations in Gaza causing significant civilian casualties and infrastructure damage (e.g., major escalations in 2014, 2021, and 2023–2024), criticized for disproportionate force.
- Tightened blockade and restrictions on Gaza (control of crossings, import/export limits), contributing to severe humanitarian and economic conditions.
- Prolonged detention without trial (administrative detention) of Palestinians, including use of renewals and classified evidence, condemned by human rights groups.
- Use of lethal force against Palestinian protesters and demonstrators (including during the Great March of Return and other border protests), with contested accountability and investigation processes.
- Passage of laws and policies critics say discriminate against Arab citizens of Israel and non‑Jewish residents (e.g., the 2018 Nation-State Law drew international criticism).
- Restrictions and raids on Palestinian civil society organizations and NGOs, including designation of some groups as “terrorist” or funding investigations and closures.
- Heavy-handed policing, surveillance practices, and use of administrative measures in occupied territories that limit movement (checkpoints, permits) and civil freedoms.
- Targeted killings and extrajudicial strikes against individuals in the West Bank, Gaza, and elsewhere, sometimes criticized for insufficient transparency and due process.
Claude Haiku 4.5
Negative Things Israel Has Done in the Last 10 Years
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Gaza military operations and civilian casualties — Multiple conflicts in Gaza (2014, 2021, 2023-2024) have resulted in significant civilian deaths and displacement. Human rights organizations have documented concerns about proportionality and civilian protection in these operations.
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Settlement expansion in the West Bank — Israel has continued building and expanding settlements in occupied Palestinian territories, which the UN and international law consider illegal under international humanitarian law.
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Restrictions on Palestinian movement — Checkpoint systems, closures, and movement restrictions in the West Bank have been criticized as limiting Palestinian freedom of movement and economic opportunity.
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Demolition of Palestinian homes — Israeli authorities have demolished Palestinian-owned structures in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, displacing families and communities. Human rights groups say many demolitions lack proper legal process.
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Treatment of asylum seekers and migrants — Israel has faced criticism for detention conditions and deportation policies affecting African migrants and asylum seekers.
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Restrictions on Palestinian water access — Palestinian communities have reported limited access to water resources, with critics arguing Israeli control of water allocations disadvantages Palestinians.
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Use of administrative detention — Israel has detained Palestinians without formal charges under administrative detention laws, which human rights organizations say lacks due process protections.
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Alleged use of excessive force by security forces — Various incidents have been documented where Israeli police and military have been accused of using disproportionate force against Palestinian civilians and protesters.
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Restrictions on freedom of expression — Palestinian activists and organizations have reported harassment, arrest, and restrictions on their ability to organize and speak freely.
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Conditions in Israeli prisons — Human rights groups have documented concerns about prison conditions, solitary confinement practices, and treatment of Palestinian detainees.
These criticisms come from sources including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, B'Tselem, UN bodies, and international media. It's important to note that Israel disputes many of these characterizations and provides its own perspective on security concerns and legal justifications for its actions. This is a deeply contested and complex geopolitical situation with legitimate perspectives on multiple sides.
I just stumbled upon game Jesus asking some on the same questions.
He makes some good points about IP not being very sacrosanct in China. It sounds like it's not really a crime to buy and use these chips within China.
The difference in view over intellectual property is sort of fascinating if you think about it. Communism I guess.
Anyway, the real treat here is seeing the guy from Gamer's Nexus go meet and investigate. He literally followed the source and may have learned another language to do so?
It's kinda wild.
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