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Israel to Release Footage, Recordings in Gaza Hospital Explosion (www.wsj.com)

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Israeli military spokesman Daniel Hagari said in a briefing early Wednesday morning that no Israeli strike, either by air, land or sea, occurred near Al-Ahli Arab Hospital at the time of the deadly explosion. He added that drone footage, radar information and a recording of Gaza militants indicate a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket was responsible.

He said the Israeli military would soon publish the radar info, footage and a recording of militants in Gaza assigning blame to Islamic Jihad, a group aligned with Hamas. All the information, Hagari said, would be given to President Biden as part of a "full briefing" when the U.S. leader arrives in Israel Wednesday.

Palestinian Ambassador to the U.N. Riyad Mansour accused Israel of carrying out the strike, calling Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a liar for blaming the strike on the armed group Islamic Jihad. “Now they change the story to try to blame the Palestinians. It is a lie,” Mansour said during a press conference at the U.N. headquarters.

Edit: From the IDF’s official Telegram Channel

Post 1:

IDF: A failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization hit the Al Ahli hospital in Gaza City

Attached is a video from the IAF system that captured the area around the hospital before and after the failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization: https://bit.ly/3M5oQMI

Post 2:

IDF: Following the briefing by the IDF Spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari on the failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization that hit the hospital in Gaza City:

Attached is the briefing: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810202362

Attached is a recording of a conversation between Hamas operatives regarding the Islamic Jihad failed rocket launch on the hospital on October 17, 2023: https://bit.ly/3S4xqiG

Attached is a visual analysis following the IAF’s examination on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810156854

Attached is an infographic of all the failed rocket launches in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/1810202309876543672

Attached is a photograph from the IDF launch identification system on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC18102023984

Post 3:

Following the recording that was sent out, attached is a transcript of the conversation between Hamas operatives: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC181020238465

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[-] drekly@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-air-force-bomb-gaza-hamas-6000-times-continue-relentlessly-2023-10

This was 6 days ago.

More bombs in 6 days than a year in Afghanistan. And it's been a further 6 days.

Why are they even bothering to deny they did this when they're the ones bombing Gaza over and over.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 55 points 1 year ago

I'd be very interested to see their evidence, especially given the initial claim that they hit the hospital because HAMAS were there. The video that I saw shows a fuck off huge explosion, and I'd be very surprised to learn that a Jihadist group's rocket did that. AFAIK, most of their rockets are anti-personnel and anti-armor grade, stuff a little like what the HIMARS carries, not shit that's going to level half a hospital in one go. I mean, unless they're just casually rocking Tomahawk cruise missiles or something, it just seems like a big reach.

[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 31 points 1 year ago

Do you have a source for this initial claim? The only one I have seen is a random tweet by a wannabe Israel fanatic influencer, and not at all an official statement.

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[-] PvtGetSum@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Other than things that could be explosive in a hospital normally (O2 canisters), Hamas has been known to use hospitals to store munitions and launch rocket strikes in the past. While I'm not saying "Israel definitely didn't do it" I don't think it's out of the question or even unlikely that it genuinely wasn't an Israeli strike

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

O2 doesn't explode. I've done 13 years in EMS, handled the stuff daily, tried it. O2 doesn't and wouldn't explode like that. Concentrated O2 WILL make a fire burn MUCH more aggressively, but not explode.

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[-] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

There was also a video clip I saw that starts with a chain link fence and then you hear a sort of whistling sound and something slams down hard with a pretty big explosion. Ofc I'm not sure it's verified or not but sounded and looked more like the impact of something like a JDAM instead of what you'd expect from the rockets fired by Hamas/Islamic jihad. Which although I understand are deadly, especially in large numbers, I don't think have the explosive charge anywhere close to the impact in the video (which also seems immediate and not a bunch of secondary explosions.)

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 year ago

Why are we talking and not doing? Just release it already if it's vindicating.

[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 47 points 1 year ago

It takes a long time to extract and compile evidence. Especially when it is this important. It will need to be checked over as well before anything is released.

[-] plz1@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

They also need to redact anything damning...

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[-] Lemmyboi@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Forging takes time

[-] thoro@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago

Ok great. Do it.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago

I would like to see this evidence. The flipping of stories from Israeli spokespeople right after the event to now is bizarre. There were a number of people, even initial US government responses, saying that the hospital was a Hamas hideout, so Israel blew it up on purpose and it's a good thing.

Also, why do they just so happen to have audio recordings of this specific terrorist group talking about this event in particular within an hour or so after the event? Is that a likely thing for them to have acquired?

[-] JoeHill@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you don’t trust the Israeli government, the whole thing was live-streamed. https://nitter.net/COUPSURE/status/1714380403782324249

That footage was subsequently rebroadcast on Al-Jazeera.

There’s a number of other angles you can find on the birdsite too.

And yes, if someone was talking about it on a radio, I’d expect Israeli sigint to pick it up. This is not their first rodeo. They’ve been the occupying power in Gaza for 56 years. That’s what made the Hamas massacre so shocking: how on earth did they miss the planning for two years.

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago

That's the video where the timestamp doesn't match up with the hospital event. It's 30-ish minutes off for some confusing reason.

Not to be confused with the other video being used for a while on official Israeli government accounts that got deleted when people figured out it was from 2022.

[-] JoeHill@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Speaking from my own experience running local cameras, timestamps aren’t always accurate due to admin misconfig or admin laziness

But if we’re going to say that’s not the right footage, why is Al-Jazeera broadcasting it? To me, it doesn’t seem to square with their narrative, so why show it to their viewers at all?

[-] Silverseren@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

It was just a livestream on Al Jazeera. It was running constantly. Hence why timestamps being off doesn't make much sense.

[-] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

You really think shrapnel from a already disabled rocket could cause such a large explosion? Palestinians do not have western high explosives.

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[-] WidowsFavoriteSon@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

This will get all the Hamas apologists screaming FAKE NEWS now, wont it. It's a bitch when reality won't conform to your belief system. Just ask the MAGA crowd.

[-] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The IDF still needs to present receipts in my opinion, and I look forward to them doing so.

Nuanced discussion and compassion seem to get lost in all the “righteous” anger surrounding this topic unfortunately.

[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yet most people on lemmy seem to believe the claim of Hamas, without any proof, because it supports their hate of Israel. This is like the 10th highly upvoted article on the topic, with most comments not even questioning the claim.

It is possible that Israel did it, yes, but we don’t know it yet. IDF and Hamas both killed enough civilians already in a confirmed way, maybe let’s focus our critique on that in the meantime.

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[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 25 points 1 year ago

They (israel) dropped more bombs in 2 weeks than was set off in afghanistan in a year of american assault.

Why do you think its more likely a jihad mistaken self attack?

[-] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A large number of “bombs” being “dropped” does not necessarily indicate indiscriminate killing of civilians. In fact, a large number likely indicates smaller munitions being used for more targeted strikes.

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 24 points 1 year ago

A number of explosives surpassing an american quantity of destructive force over a country restricted down to the size of gaza absolutely implies an increased odds of israel missing a target.

Im not even attributing intent, despite israels eagerness to supply it. Im sure they didnt mean to hit the hospital. I would hope, at least, especially given how poorly its looked for them on the world stage.

[-] Gormadt 9 points 1 year ago

Not just a place the size of Gaza, but a place as densely populated as Gaza.

There's about 15,000 people per square mile.

[-] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 1 year ago

Have you seen the pictures of Gaza recently? Smaller targeted munitions don't level entire blocks. You're doing straight up genocide apologia.

[-] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m following it closely. The photos and videos I’ve seen and the interviews I’ve heard are absolutely horrific.

I wouldn’t throw out the term genocide lightly, but my heart breaks for the innocents. War is literal hell.

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[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 17 points 1 year ago

Emm, you do realise more than 3000 palestine civilian being killed since the israel invasion in respond to hamas invasion right?

Right?

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[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Okay I actually made the effort to listen to the Audio and took a look at those photos.

The two men in the audio recording are talking about a misfire that happened directly behind the hospital - from a nearby cemetery to be exact.

https://bit.ly/3S4xqiG

On the other hand there is a picture attached that shows a rocket launch site that is quite a long way from the Hospital - or is this the cemetery those men in the voice recording were talking about?

https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC18102023984

It does not seem to be the right picture…

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[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Crosspost from another similar thread:

So this here is the current view on the area where supposedly about 500 people died. Also there are allegedly more than 300 wounded.

Questions I personally have:

where is the rubble and where is the bomb crater?
why does the building seem undamaged?
how do you fit 800 people in this parking lot?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/18/israel-hamas-war-live-news-gaza-hospital-west-bank-update-joe-biden-visit-protests-latest-updates

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[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

I'll just leave this here with the warning that the "graphic video" shows dead babies and blown up people so you may want to skip that one.

One of the other videos is of the impact. You can clearly hear a projectile before the explosion. I'm not claiming to know who fired it.

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israels-spin-about-hospital-massacre-quickly-comes-apart

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