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Still gaming on a Vega56 @ 1080p.
Good progress nonetheless. Can't wait for China to flood the fuck out of the nVidia/AMD/Intel GPU oligopoly. It may take a decade but it will happen for sure.
We could all use some supply and competition.
But the real bottleneck is TSMC... china could design a breakthrough gaming gpu tomorrow that gives you 8k at 240fps, and guess what? It wont be built any time soon because TSM is too busy building AI stuff for nvidia
China has been investing in its own semiconductor manufacturing for decades. They are behind, but I wouldn't bet on them staying behind forever.
And "flops" is the headline?? That they got this level of performance so quickly should have been. Wait a couple of years and let's see where are they at then. Holy cow that's really fast progress, i can see them beating Intel gpus pretty soon
Yes but they gotta get the people hating them early before they take off in a couple years or else who the hell would still buy Intel after whatever they push out in a few years that's probably gonna be orders of magnitude cheaper.
I suspect they will make them illegal eventually like the electric vehicles China makes.
I agree Tom's Hardware is unnecessarily derisive but I also think the performance curve bending to the current date is an exponential difficulty curve. China still has no replacement and no plausible path to a replacement for the most modern EUV nodes that require ASML lithography machines.
They can very very quickly leapfrog older generations of GPU hardware by going straight to the peak of their home-grown lithography processes, that's not surprising. But getting performance to keep following the curve to the last 2-3 years is a sheer cliff, not a ramp. It took ASML decades to do it and nobody worldwide has replicated it, because it's just that hard, even as China tries to acquire export-controlled prior-gen machines on the gray market.
Maybe I'll be wrong, but don't be surprised if we see no improvement or minor optimizations for years.
My understanding is that Chinese companies have been able to replicate EUV lithography by either using particle accelerators or layering DUV. But the former requires a lot of electricity, and the latter has poor quality and reliability. But with falling electricity prices and fusion reactors around the corner, who knows?
If they got their hands on a machine would they be able to replicate it? If it was such a massive advantage I imagine they would just take one by force, I mean look at how the US just took out two national leaders
It's unlikely. It's not just the machine but decades of proprietary knowledge that is not easily exfiltrated out of ASML. The machines they are trying to rebuild from spare parts from the grey market are not even the latest gen. There's so few of them and they're only held by companies that can afford to pay the $400 million for a single machine, so it's not like they're just falling onto the market without a clear chain of ownership and responsibility.
That's something I don't understand.
I mean there is endless capitalism out there - what prevents China from just buying a company that has one? Like if you out up one Trillion dollars on Trumps desk tomorrow they could basically choose which company they want.
I mean, you're not wrong that this moment is probably China's best opportunity, since the US administration is corrupt and incompetent. Normally the threat of US and allies' punishment for violating export controls counts for something. But we're historically distracted right now and I'm sure China is trying to take advantage.
This is why China wants Taiwan. It’s a serious enough concern that ASML installs kill switches in the machines they sell to TSMC
Didn‘t expect anything less (or more) to be honest. Not at the moment. 5 years from now, though? It‘s entirely possible most new PC hardware will be made by Chinese brands that we have never heard of.
What? A baby GPU didn't do as well as an experienced professional with decades of experience?? I am in shock -_-
I'm surprised they can't just smuggle the chip designs and factory designs from Taiwan, they're so close
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Toms hardware would likely have said the same thing about early EV cars from China about 5 years ago
I mean.... They would have been right 5 years ago. But then they caught up and are showing some other manufacturers up.
Similarly here, Chinese manufacturers are making progress, and as usual they're catching up quite well. In a few years I fully expect to see actual competition, and competition benefits everyone.
It's a stupid misdirection. What should be celebrated is the achievement and the trajectory they're on. This is as if the US finally took renewables seriously, reached at least the global average, and people were like "it doesn't matter because there are countries that do a 100%". No - context absolutely does matter.
The tech media is showing who their sponsors are with this shit. “Oh the new guy isn’t number one right away? Better give up!” Fuck right off.
You know what? I’m going out and buying another Intel GPU out of spite.
Toms has always been clickbait. They just copy and sensationalize other headlines they find, and they’ve frequently bent the knee for Nvidia. Other outlets used to make fun of them all the time.
It’s sad they “survived” the enshittification of the internet and people keep sharing their clickbait :(
That being said, there’s some truth here.
If they get out some solid linux drivers, I'd buy one. Same thing for me when it comes to anything risc-v. I'm buying out of interest in a new alternative
They will improve and quickly.
Now that intel is likely out of the race, they are out last hope
it takes time to develop a tech like that.
as an example, China decided to invest in animation after Kung Fu Panda. slow process with a lot of internal movies, and a couple years ago they released the most successful animated movie in history.
Let them cook
Is Intel rumored to drop it's GPU line? Haven't really kept up to date lately.
Intel Arc has been out for a while and while it technically competes it's not good enough or stable enough to handle the high end.
Wait for the next couple generations… 🤔
China iterates. China wins. Look at EV, solar, etc.
Give em a few years, and they'll have more powerful, cheaper GPUs than anything US manufacturers can make.
Apparently it does get fairly similar performance in benchmarks, just not it games, which could indicate that the hardware is there and it's just the drivers that are lacking.
Which often is the case with Chinese electronics - often brilliant hardware with absolutely terrible software haphazardly slapped on, and support dropped before the thing even shipped.
thats not the case here, chip manufacuring, gpu hardware, and gpu software is really fucking insane to do
there are lots of specifications to add, not to mention the special things nvidia add outside the specification
intel had a head start with their igpus and they still struggled
Let them cook we need more competition
Nvidia’s middle finger to China is the reason they’ve developed open weight models like Qwen 3.6 27B that have modest compute requirements with performance catching up to frontier models. They have plenty of motivation to give Nvidia the middle finger right back, and I fully anticipate that a couple years from now, we will see Chinese open models on par with frontier models while also having inexpensive Chinese hardware to run them.
Already cursor model is already built on top of kimi Chinese model. This recently leaked, oupsies
Ah, hadn’t heard that, and I see there’s a TechCrunch article about it: https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/22/cursor-admits-its-new-coding-model-was-built-on-top-of-moonshot-ais-kimi/
Only 1/4th of the training was from Kimi, though, even though the model id evidently says it’s Kimi. 🙄
Its only a matter of time untill a gaming pc made out of Chinese architecture components is legally considered by the US to be a weapon of mass destruction.
I've never bought anything from China at full price, expect deep discounts and short generations, they will have a new architecture 5x in 5 years and by 2032 will be outselling Nvidia and amd combined.... And why shouldn't they, amd and Nvidia have proven time and time again they have gamers
As the article itself points out, drivers remain as the main issue for Chinese graphics cards. Though they seem to have made great improvements compared to 2 years ago. I'm quite excited to see how they work on it further in the next few years.
Not much needs more than a 4060
Can confirm. I'm still rocking a 1070 Ti on a 1440 monitor and it more than meets my needs, granted I'm playing somewhat older AAA games. Looks like a 4060 is even better.
Give it time
I feels like if people read the first sentence there, people might realise that the headline isn't harsh at all, the company claim the card perform like a dragon, priced like a dragon, but a test by tech channel from china proofed otherwise. If it's $200 then the headline might be different.
The author is a chinese, no less, which probably comb chinese socmed for this news.
Wait a couple of years
It may take a decade but it will happen for sure
new architecture 5x in 5 years and by 2032
Wait for the next couple generations
How are they going to survive the next decade if they're selling $200 performance for $500 man.
Uhh do you think the People's Republic of China is going bankrupt if they don't get better GPUs for a decade?
Or if you mean the company, they'll absolutely receive a bunch of subsidies to keep going.
They should have used some of those subsidies to lower the price lol
They don't really have to. This is a test run to prove they can make GPUs. I don't have a source for it, but supposedly they made or are making about 1000. I'm sure there will be 1000 patriots to buy GPUs from a local company over an American one.
Continued development will be funded by the government at least until the local alternatives are good enough to compete on the local market - perhaps until they surpass nVidia and AMD, that's sorta what they're trying to do with EVs right now (you buy a BYD or something in Europe and the Chinese government is subsidizing it despite the car not even being sold in China)
Are they also slave-free?
Without depending on many externalities.
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