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[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 62 points 6 days ago

It's uncanny, it's almost as if removing office politics, drama, "team building", and endless useless meetings from the equation improves productivity.

Who knew?

"we're all a family here" fuck off

[-] isleepinahammock 6 points 5 days ago

It also has to with the tyranny of distance. People end up trapped in shitty jobs that aren't right for them. They end up in roles where they aren't doing the things they want to do or where their talents truly lie. Economically, this causes them to be much less productive than they could be in a position that's a better fit for them.

And the main reason people end up trapped in jobs is the tyranny of distance. Maybe there's only two employers in your town that can really use your specific skills. For someone who owns a home, moving costs tens of thousands of dollars. And often you can't find out a position won't be a good fit until you actually work there for awhile.

Work from home overcomes much of this tyranny of distance. It allows employers and employees to find much better matches for each other, unconstrained by physical distance. And for this reason, shitty employers hate it. Shitty employers thrive on transaction/switching costs and employee lock-in.

[-] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

I mean, a dysfunctional family is still a family. 🤣

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Team building is fine, even beneficial, when done right. Which is almost never.

The tea & coffee fund

[-] teslasdisciple@lemmy.ca 99 points 6 days ago

First they forced us back to the office despite a mountain of evidence showing hybrid work is more productive.

Now they're forcing us to use AI even if it's pure garbage.

I'm so sick of these micromanaging, power-tripping buffoons. I can't wait to retire.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 days ago

retire

lol

we are not going to retire

[-] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 days ago

For real. At best, we're all going to become impromptu homesteaders/farmers. At worst, we starve before we can

[-] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

I just straight-up refuse to use the AI tools at work.

Boss's boss bitches at my boss about it regularly, but I do the work of three people for the salary of 3/4 of a person, so chasing me off would only cost them a couple hundred thousand dollars in recruiting, interviewing, hiring, and training my replacements and gain them nothing.

Know your worth and be willing to walk away.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 days ago

I do the work of three people for the salary of 3/4 of a person

Know your worth and be willing to walk away.

[-] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Congrats! You're too thick to understand what hyperbole is. And four highly regarded fellas upvoted you?

LMAO it's nice to know that the younger generation isn't smart enough to be able to take our jobs.

[-] conartistpanda@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

That was oddly specific

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

My comment has 7 upvotes actually 💪😤

You're bad at hyperbole dude

[-] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

"Other dipshits around here agree with me" is not the flex you think it is.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

You decided to rage at my completely innocuous comment an entire day after I posted it, I'm not the one trying to flex here. Why are you so mad

[-] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

If that's "rage" and "mad" to you then just lol. Go see your therapist, sweetie.

[-] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 days ago

The only thing they care about more than money is power and control.

Holy shit this is big!

Are you telling me that giving better work conditions to your workers (and therefore making them happier) INCREASES PRODUCTIVITY?!?!

I

AM

SHOCKED.

[-] greybeard@feddit.online 15 points 6 days ago

Giving everyone an office is too costly.

I've got an idea, since cubicle went so well, lets shorten the walls to half walls.

Since half wall cubicles went so well, lets take the walls down complete.

Since the fully open design worked so well, lets squish all the desks together as closely as possible.

Since bench desking worked so well, lets take away personal desks all together and go to a hot desking system.

Since hot desking went so well, lets replace the desks with side tables, and benches with empty cat littler buckets.


Excerpt from "Leadership's Guide to Call Centers"

[-] belochka@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

It's not that simple, there's also esprit de corps and discipline and networking.

Yes, for work productivity right now right here it makes sense that working remotely is good.

That has always been known and normal for people who can work remotely. Writers, or anyone who can synchronize their work through runners with envelopes or, later, fax and telephone.

But also people who can work remotely would always have situations where they'd prefer not to.

My sympathies with remote work are because I'm spoiled and because of retrofuturistic promises of (almost) everyone working like that, my concerns are because you'd want sometimes to see people you're working with, and if many people work in one place and some work remotely, then even if the latter work well, they are ruining discipline.

[-] ugo@feddit.it 24 points 6 days ago

“Ruining discipline”, ha! What idiocy. Suggesting that working from office is the right way and anything that deviates from it is “ruining” something.

How about the people working from the office are “ruining discipline” of the remote workers by taking decisions behind closed doors? No? Seems unfair?

Maybe let people work the way they work their best except for very specific circumstances instead, and stop blaming structural failures within companies against remote workers.

[-] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago

I worked in a traditional office environment for the full decade before the pandemic, and I was constantly being distracted by "undisciplined" people. There was always someone having a loud conversation in a quiet workspace or coming to my cubical to interrupt me with pointless bullshit.

Going full remote has finally isolated me from the lack of discipline in office environments.

[-] Flower@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 days ago

Yeah, we were all sitting in the office with headphones to isolate from the office noise and distractions so we could concentrate and getting work done.

[-] trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 6 points 6 days ago

Can confirm. Was stuck in an "open office". It was hell on earth until they decided to build brand new offices for the sales team.. Because why the fuck not

[-] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

we had a massive no wall cubical farm. To get rid of noise they hung active noise canceling speakers above our cubes. There were times you couldn't even hear yourself breathing. Was TOO quiet.

[-] isleepinahammock 2 points 5 days ago

I like the way my office does it. All the engineers and drafters are on the ground floor. The sales guys work in a loft at the back of the building. We keep them in the attic like they would keep dementia patients in the attic back in the olden days.

[-] belochka@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Yes, convenience is often ruining discipline, not for me (ASD) and perhaps not for you, but social ties form between coworkers. That part about behind closed doors - see, they always will.

I mean, we live in a society. Not seeing the faces of the others is a weakness. It's not all about work.

[-] isleepinahammock 3 points 5 days ago

Important meetings and decisions should be made with remote workers present and with their full participation. If your team frequently cuts people out and is prone to forming cliques of in-groups and out-groups, return to office won't help you. Those same middle school politics happen in entirely in-person offices. People get cut out and isolated whether remote or in person when management decides their input isn't valuable.

[-] belochka@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Those same middle school politics

Sorry, but as far as I have seen, not having what you called that at all is a precious rarity.

[-] Slowy@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

How is it a weakness? If anything it seems like it would help address inequity in how people are treated based on race, age, gender if people are interacting more anonymously, and maybe we could also dispense with this whole coworkers are a family bs that is meant to instil loyalty to a company that doesn’t care about you and offset a lack of work life balance

[-] belochka@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Because those who see each other's faces coordinate closer socially and might eat you. We live in a society, not a friendly place sometimes.

[-] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

I have never found that face to face interaction caused people to act nicer. If anything all of my face to face jobs I have had coworkers drop the ball countless times where the next person in the chain gets screwed over. It was more demoralizing when you confronted them because they don't give a shit unless THEY are geting screwed.

[-] belochka@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Not nicer. Just you'd be more likely to see those going to backstab you deliberately. OK, everyone has their own opinion

[-] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

But most people aren't malicious. Rather, most are dumb and incompetent which causes most of the issues. They don't think about the sequence of events required to get a multi-person project completed. They don't think about how many people are behind them and that when you are slow or late to get your job done or you do it poorly that it affects others.

I can think of numerous times when the first few people in a project took their sweet ass time getting their part done while not working after hours causing me to have to stay late because I was the last step and had a hard deadline. This type of shit happened regardless of our proximity.

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[-] demonsword@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It’s not that simple, there’s also esprit de corps and discipline and networking.

fuck that, not having to commute for over 2h every day beats anything you could list as being good in pro-return-to-office

[-] belochka@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

I get depressed after long periods of remote work, go to office, then remember why I didn't particularly value the experience, get back to remote.

[-] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

But also people who can work remotely would always have situations where they'd prefer not to.

[citation needed]

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[-] isleepinahammock 3 points 5 days ago

You're talking different neurotypes here. Why should we prioritize the neurotype that prefers in-office vs the neurotype that prefers out-of-office? If anything, shouldn't we prefer the working style that saves the company money and is more productive on average?

[-] belochka@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I dunno if I'm more productive on average

[-] bryndos@fedia.io 21 points 6 days ago

I hope they found a good way to measure productivity, because I never came across a convincing one.

[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago

We did. Projects move ahead faster, problems got solved quicker, problems went down.

Frankly, it was never remote working per se, it was embracing the elements that make it work: asynchronous work. Documenting EVERYTHING, completely open infrastructure (everyone can see what everyone is doing/working on), requiring dedicated YOU do this tasks, assignments etc.

But from then on, we didn't need an office anymore. We don't even need regularly scheduled hours for everyone, what ever works for them is fine. I think that gives people opportunity to do things when they like, and without the commute there is a lot more actually doing the work when they are there.

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[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

At my company they came up with a great plan. Count our pr merges lol.

It's been going on a few weeks and they are just realizing that we have a ton of prs but still haven't shipped a ton of features lol.

They have played their hand and shown they have no idea what they are doing.

[-] bryndos@fedia.io 2 points 6 days ago

Haha. Better or worse than, 'jira tickets' or 'story points'?

They're doing a f-ing reporting database migration just now, just measure tables created that match the old DB. And standard user queries that output the same.

"Oh hang on, does the new database have to have the same data as the old one?" "We've reviewed all of our non existing requirements gathering notes and the "business " never wrote that as a requirement. we can squeeze it in later on the roadmap, when some dev resources have been freed up. Can you tell us more about these 'queries'; is that a power bi thing? - i think another team does that?"

Sack 3 or more layers of "management/director/head of/architect/strategy", that have a lot more impact on productivity than letting people wank from home.

[-] VAK@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Maybe managers woke up and focused on productivity rather than 'are you in office on time? '

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