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submitted 5 days ago by Quokka@quokk.au to c/fediverse@lemmy.ml

This morning while checking if Quokk.au's new instance logo was federated out, I discovered that overnight we had been shadowbanned from the PieFed.Social Instance Chooser (This is a tool to help spread out users across the platform and help avoid funnelling users into the largest.)

Knowing that Rimu was happy to explain, I just asked for some clarification as we were visible on every other PieFed instance except his.

Apparently for ' obvious reasons ', of which I can only assume is our left leaning anarchist/pro-trans stance we were chosen not be advertised on the PieFed flagship instance and first point of contact for many potential new users. Seeing as a large portion of our new users found us via this method, it will have a tangible effect on a small instance such as ours.

This was a pretty sad sight to see, and reflects the sort of petty drama that is emanating from the PieFed project lately. It's now the third such move to discredit and harm left leaning instances by PieFed's lead developer. This also shows a trend towards autocratic unilateral decision-making on Piefed.social, of which is starting to be run as a personal fiefdom without consulting the team or users.

I must commend Lemmy.ml for remaining neutral and not letting its own political leanings influence join-lemmy.org, while simultaneously condemn PieFed.social for this immature move that is harmful to the health of the Fediverse.


Following this exchange, Rimu announced a new update to PieFed allowing for some rather concerning things.

  • Modlog: Reason for the action is only shown from trusted instances, so abusive mods won't have an audience. Admins can still see the reason though. Which instances are trusted is set in the admin UI.

This feature means problematic users can now go undetected, and will harm moderators ability to view their past moderation history. For example PieFed.social runs a 'trusted' list of only 34 instances, meaning any mod action taken by any of the hundreds of instances outside of this will not show up. So for example if Quokk.au was to ban a user for transphobia (our most common ban), this will not be reflected for piefed.social users potentially leading towards more hate speech on the Fediverse.

  • Instance silencing similar to Mastodon. A silenced instance is not defederated from but their posts do not show in the Popular or All feeds and their communities are not shown in Starter packs aka Topics. Their communities can still be found in the communities list and joined in the normal way. Once joined, posts in there show up in the subscribed feed as usual.

This is another way to shadowban instances and not 'advertise' them. Surely if an instance is problematic enough that a defederation would be in order rather than this reddit-like move.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago

Serious question, why do people even bother with piefed at this point. Also, I'm not really against libs creating their own bubble if that means they stop being obnoxious all across the fediverse.

[-] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

He's blaming his week-long crashout on "the trolls" now https://join.piefed.social/2026/05/12/what-worked-at-100-users-broke-at-5000/ i-cant

Yeah bro it was the trolls that made you put up two (2) posts slandering the FAF without asking them what happened first huh

At least his takeaway seems to be to post less, which I think everyone can agree is for the best... sicko-wholesome

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago

Seems like it would've been best for all involved if his community did stay at a 100 users. 🤣

[-] Goferking0@ttrpg.network 5 points 3 days ago

Idk, seems more like PR speak for I'm going to do it all through a different account now rather than a reflection of anything

[-] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Idc, i also don't understand why people are so into alt-hunting. Everyone who has two people disagreeing with them is immediately going on about how its all sockpuppets. That or "brigading"/"dogpiling" like they can't face multiple people disagreeing with them they're that insecure about what their saying 😒 not that applies to what you're saying, but some regular idiot massaging the numbers until they find somenthing that lets them post is way more preferable to the leading dev of a platform used by the instances the posts are about.

[-] Goferking0@ttrpg.network 5 points 3 days ago

The "brigading"/"dogpiling" excuse has always been terrible.

I'm not saying it's bad to have alts just that nothing in their post seems like anything will change just do better at not being as divisive? with the public account

[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

I like the extra features piefed has (multicommunities specifically). The prerendered ui is fast as well.

[-] OccasionallyFeralya@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago

At least multi-comms is coming with Lemmy 1.0

[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

Yeah, I noticed them on voyager.lemmy.ml

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago

The trade off is that you end up giving up on a huge chunk of the fediverse at the whims of the developer.

[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

I don't think that's a problem if you pick the right instance

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

Some of this stuff is hardcoded in as I understand.

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[-] Cleisthenian@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 days ago

ML and anarchist solidarity ✊

[-] thoro@lemmy.ml 41 points 5 days ago

This is completely unsurprising when you're aware of the reasons that motivated PieFed's development (anti communism). Features designed to limit the voice and reach of certain instances lines up with that motivation. PieFed exists to counteract communist influence in the threadiverse.

Some here who helped push it spin it as a way to make the fediverse more palatable to the average Internet user because they care more about growth than culture, but the underlying motivation has always been to try to separate the threadiverse from its communist roots.

I'll take the tankie devs over liberal devs every single time, personally. You can say what you want about them and how they personally run their instances, but I'm not aware of them developing any underhanded features like these and others in PieFed.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

What's really funny to me is that liberals consistently preach one thing and then do another in practice. Open debate and the whole market of ideas is at the core of liberal ideology. Yet, whenever liberals don't have the dominant position, they immediately reach for censorship breaking precisely the principle they claim differentiates them from their ideological adversaries.

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 46 points 5 days ago

we had been shadowbanned from the PieFed.Social Instance Chooser

Badge of fucking honor rat-salute

[-] Quokka@quokk.au 36 points 5 days ago

Unfortunately as >75% of all new members joined us from there it's effectively killed off instance growth. Will have to do a lot of campaigning to get any visibility now.

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 25 points 5 days ago

Oof. Hope this gets resolved in your/your instance's favor, but I do still feel a little proud that we pissed off Rimu so fiercely that we're getting shadowbanned.

[-] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 55 points 5 days ago

Yeah rimu is hellbent in his crusade against memes and defense of us imperialism. His "q-anon" blocklist contains leftist sites like grayzone as well as sites like wikileaks.org. He has warnings on his instance for sites like electronicintifada and peoplesdispatch. He put out a hit piece on bans from db0 like a week ago, days after a troll made a fake screenshot accusing some db0 admin of being an undercover nazi, then made his "LLM moderation" scarepost even though he knew that there was none because he asked about it before, blocked db0 the user so none of his posts show up on piefed.social (or federate if the post is in a community of piefed.social) and at this point I'd really ask if you all want to keep with software whos designer is openly hostile to you, be part of his network and introduce people to it. All of this right after MrKaplans knee-jerk defederation. Like it's been a busy two weeks of hostilities from the liberal side of the lemmy/piefed fediverse mainly from rimu who has been very open I must say about being on an anti-tankie crusade and doing everything in his power to make "his software" hostile for people whose ideology he doesn't like. And very much not open about how he intends to achieve this.

Instance silencing similar to Mastodon. A silenced instance is not defederated from but their posts do not show in the Popular or All feeds and their communities are not shown in Starter packs aka Topics. Their communities can still be found in the communities list and joined in the normal way. Once joined, posts in there show up in the subscribed feed as usual.

This is just cannibalising smaller instances. When their communities can't be as easily discovered the conversations naturally will be on the bigger instances and posters will naturally fluctuate towards the bigger instances so their posts can be seen. I bet you all are "silenced" as well.

reposted from my hexbear account for more visibility

[-] rhythmisaprancer@piefed.social 26 points 5 days ago

This stinks. I remember someone from anarchist.nexus posting a question about being banned but not seeing why (I think, I don't remember the details) and a very terrible response from Rimu. I don't see anyone else from piefed.social posting here but I can't be the only one that has seen this negativity over the last month or so. Maybe time to instance hop again or use an old account. Guess I didn't learn any lessons about flagships after being on kbin.social, although that was very different.

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[-] LefterShark 35 points 5 days ago

PieFed has been giving me the ick the last few weeks, it looks likes it’s heading in a bad direction.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 34 points 5 days ago

diet reddit

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[-] meowmeow@quokk.au 35 points 5 days ago

Not directly related, but many different instances are very buddy-buddy and share user info. Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works and discuss.social for example all share information like user emails, etc. this leads to shadowbans, defedding, and all sorts of privacy offenses.

Likely quokk is cause up in that.

This is why it’s important all users use a VPN and unique burner/alias emails.

[-] TiredTiger@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 days ago

I have no idea what other instances are like, but you can join lemmy.ml without even giving an email. Unless you're allergic to communism, I'm really not seeing the benefit of choosing one of those instances, let alone something like PieFed, as your home base. No captchas or VPN blocks, either.

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[-] Quokka@quokk.au 35 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This is something different. The PieFed dev is simply being a massive jerk lately and declaring war on the left.

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[-] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 5 days ago

LW and discuss.online are ran by the same team.

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[-] iByteABit@lemmy.ml 27 points 5 days ago

It's always very interesting to see the imperialist type of "leftist" always punch left harder than they punch right. Almost as if that's their actual intended purpose all along..

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 30 points 5 days ago

kicked Marxist-lemonist

Made me laugh.

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I actually like having a second order of downgrading an instance over pure defederation. For example it would be really cool to mark instances from which to accept downvotes. Etc

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[-] HuntressHimbo@lemmy.zip 30 points 5 days ago

Pretty awful changes. Doubt I'll ever be moving to Piefed and unless it has a pretty substantial course correction gonna end up giving side eye to anyone promoting it

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