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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 115 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

According to a new study by researchers at Carnegie Mellon, MIT, Oxford, and UCLA,

Study should be solid I guess.

participants who were given AI assistants (in this case, a chatbot powered by OpenAI’s GPT-5 model) would have the aid pulled from them without warning during the test

Wow, interesting idea. 👍

where they had their assistant removed, the AI group saw the solve rate fall off a cliff. They had a solve rate about 20% lower

And even worse IMO:

They also had nearly double the skip rate, meaning they simply chose not to solve the questions.

This seems very alarming IMO, because this indicates they lost some of their ability to think constructively on how to actually solve a problem!

I know there have always been some who cried wold every time new technology has become available, like calculators and computers. Even dictionaries were once claimed to be harmful once!
But maybe this time there is a real danger, because AI takes away a lot of the need to actually think creatively and constructively. And that's an ability we must not lose.

The last paragraph of the article is even worse. As it mentions 2 studies that show these effects are also long term!!!

[-] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 59 points 3 weeks ago

When driving somewhere, if I set out with the mindset that I can’t rely on gps I can usually wing it and figure out where to go when a hiccup occurs. If I don’t, then I have a lot of trouble getting into that path finding mode when needed… similar to this maybe?

[-] yakko@feddit.uk 21 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah exactly, because although it's possible to do more with technology sometimes, you're actively de-skilling at the same time. When we invented the written word yes it legitimately made everything better, but also we lost oral traditions and the capacity to memorize large volumes of storytelling, songs, and histories. Now you can burn the books, and the knowledge dies. It's a real risk.

Everything is like this. Every technology has a cost beyond its price, and making a decision of whether to use it or not will always be in error unless you think about what you're losing in the process.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

Changing the terms of the test in the middle of it, without warning, is disruptive. I’m not convinced it “fried their brains.” The same would happen with a calculator suddenly removed during the middle of an exam.

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

Or any task change really. You tell me that I'm here for a writing task, then halfway through it becomes a math test? There's no way I'm doing anywhere near as well as if they told me what was happening ahead of time.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

You are disregarding the last paragraph, where 2 other studies showed similar results, without having the "disruptive" factor.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Here’s that last paragraph. Microsoft’s finding actually sounds like it does have the disruptive factor: people are trained to use AI and then it is removed. And finally, finally in the very last sentence of the entire article we get the one piece of information that’s been missing the entire time: doctors perform better with AI help, but then worse than ever without it.

My conclusion? Let people have AI and perform better with it.

Carpenters trained on power tools will suddenly perform worse with hand tools than carpenters who were never given power tools. But if they are given power tools, they can build homes faster.

No shit?

The findings are also in line with a study Microsoft published last yearthat looked at cognitive decline among knowledge workers, which found that the more people lean on AI, the worse they perform when asked to work without support. It also echoes a study out of Poland, which found that while doctors are better at spotting cancer risks with AI assistance, they perform worse than the no-AI baseline once that assistance is removed.

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[-] NeilNuggetstrong@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

If I use AI for my personal coding projects I've found that if the task is unsolvable by the ai model, I'm not able to sit down and do it myself until the next day. It's like I've got to reset my brain.

If I want to save time and use AI for a specific part of the code, it probably saves me 5 hours of work. But then I spend five hours yelling at the ai to try to get it to actually solve it. Next day I'll just fix it myself in 2 hours.

[-] sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

But what you're describing is not that uncommon, even without AI: Oftentimes when trying to solve a complex problem and being unsuccessful you have to reset your brain by doing something fundamentally different or have a good night of sleep and after that you solve the problem easily.

May what you're experiencing is not AI related at all.

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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

That sounds a lot like what the studies show. And IMO that sounds like a serious problem.

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[-] carotte 11 points 3 weeks ago

there have always been some who cried wold every time new technology has become available, like calculators and computers

and they kinda have a point, really. people got worse at memorizing stuff by heart when writing was invented, and people got worse at mental calculus when calculators when invented.

but they allowed many things that were simply not possible. a calculation that takes me 2 minutes in wolfram alpha could take hours if not days to solve by hand!

ai, meanwhile, or at least the ai we’re sold, does not offer significant advantages (at best it saves a few minutes), at the cost of making us worse at thinking, a skill that is absolutely essential to have… and of course, that’s the point. the tech oligarchs want us to be dependent on their extremely expensive products.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

and people got worse at mental calculus when calculators when invented.

That may be true, but that is a much more limited problem, than losing some of our ability for critical thinking and problem solving in general.

ai, meanwhile, or at least the ai we’re sold, does not offer significant advantages

This is very true, the AI are shown to even hallucinate, and give incorrect and harmful solutions. A calculator does NOT do that.
So not only is the AI a danger to our critical thinking, we actually need it MORE when using AI.

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[-] derAbsender@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

Wow. Now do this with a calculator.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

A calculator is not the same problem, it doesn't reduce our general ability to think critically.

[-] iglou@programming.dev 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The studies referenced are about calculations, reading comprehension and work performance, not critical thinking.

The article is, like many, a bad one. It generalises what it should not.

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[-] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago

The test seems kind of dogshit, you could make the same argument against any tool, calculators or even abacuses would have the same effect.

I'm made to use it for work and it does speed up some tasks, however for some stuff it ends up being like the experiment where not doing the work the first time means the whole process takes longer at the end.

[-] Comet79@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

1980: TVs will fry your brain

1990: Videogames will fry your brain

2000: Computers will fry your brain

2010: Smartphones will fry your brain

2020: AI will fry your brain

Any takes for the 2030s?

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Climate change.

Literally.

[-] Analog@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago

2030: Cyborg w/AI will fry your brain. Literally though.

[-] feinstruktur@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Neural implants? Only this time they're really going to fry your brain.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

And before that books and comics. But LLMs are different: they pretend to be your friend but actually just encourage whatever you come up with. You can easily fry people's brains by being their sycophant, now everyone can subscribe to one.

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[-] texture@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

i think reading the title of this post hurt my brain. like what are we doing here? making medical claims using sensationalist and meaningless language... seems unhelpful

[-] ElReatonVaquer0@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

I think that if you use AI responsibly (as an assisting tool) like mentioned in the article, then you are pretty much on the safe side.

But when you have AI do everything for you, then there's a big problem.

Personally I try not to use it at all, not a fan of all the problems that come with it.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You clearly didn't read the article, and you are dead wrong.
Except you are right that if you let the AI do everything, it's worse, and you lose a lot of ability for critical thinking.
The last paragraph of the article even shows that other studies have shown that using AI assistance over time, will even have long term effect of lowering problem solving abilities!!

Personally I try not to use it at all, not a fan of all the problems that come with it.

This is the way. 😀

[-] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago

I’ll never understand how an explosively imprecise, statistically luke-warm, grey goo extrusion sphincter could ever be mistaken for intelligence.

AI doesn’t exist, it’s a vacuous marketing term.

LLMs have vanishingly narrow legitimate, defensible use cases, but their output is intrinsically inaccurate, and should never be used without supervision from relevant domain experts.

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[-] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 weeks ago

AI is like a dog looking at itself in a mirror.

Some dogs are smart, and understand that this is a tool and that it is there to help you see things better.... Some dogs are fucking morons and think their reflection is another dog, and they wanna fuck and fight....

There are a ton of good use cases for ai, and none of them include coquettish sexbots or drawings of me as a Simpson or a Ghibli sketch.

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[-] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I really do see the issue with AI. I see people around me outsource thinking to it too much. Like literally. As if they are happy that a machine can make their life choices for them. This is extremely worrying It's About how people use it

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[-] HertzDentalBar 11 points 2 weeks ago

I fucking hate this AI shit but I'll admit I end up using Gemini (knowing its wrong sometimes) but it's like how I'd use Google but just more of a complex ask instead of simple search query's, I couldn't imagine using it beyond that other than a follow-up or two.

It's just a chatbot that has access to info, who goes onto their cable companies website and befriends the chatbot?

[-] Boingboing_r@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

I have found Google search to be getting progressively worse where as I can type out a question to Gemini that will return better results than Google search. It's annoying that Google search has gotten so bad and duckduckgo will return you something interesting but not relavent. So Gemini is my Google search nowadays.

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It very well may be intentional; to drive people away from traditional search and in to Gemini.

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[-] melfie@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago

I think the key point is that you’re not outsourcing critical thinking to LLMs, but are instead using it as a tool to do grunt work that you could’ve done yourself, but the LLM can pump out faster. This means constantly being critical of everything it does, asking questions, asking for links to credible sources, asking it to provide info to help evaluate the pros and cons of multiple approaches, with you making the decisions and learning along the way. Overall, any work a LLM produces that will have your name on it should be work you entirely understand and agree with. For coding, I find agent markdown files to be especially helpful to make sure the LLM follows my desired practices without me constantly making it refactor.

Largely, my assumption at this point is that LLMs may not always be around, so I definitely don’t want to be left holding the bag with a bunch of slop I can’t manage on my own. I think I’ll feel better when I can run open weight models on my own hardware that are fully competitive with cloud models. With models like Qwen 3.6 27B, it seems we are getting closer to that.

[-] iglou@programming.dev 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Those are important studies but nothing shocking. The conclusion to draw from them is the same one we've drawn from all technologies that have improved our lives to some degree: Without them, we tend to either be incompetent as losing access to them isn't worth planning for, or we are demotivated because why would we deprive ourselves from technology that makes our work so much less exhausting?

It doesn't necessarily remove our capacity to think (and the article falsely generalises to critical thinking), it shifts what kind of thinking we do.

If AI is as good or better than I am at writing code, then I'll switch my brain to only do the orchestrating and architecture rather than the writing code part. And yes, if you remove AI, then the switch will cause me to perform less than I used to before AI, but not permanently, only until I get used to it again.

If an AI is better than a doctor at finding cancer indicators, then the doctor will focus their mind on finding solutions only rather than splitting it on both the detection and solution.

This is not new, not bad, and I'll even go to the extent of saying it's a great use of AI: Humans evolved for specialization. The less varied the tasks are, the better we are at the subset we specialize in. That's what has driven our rapid technological and societal advances in the past millenia.

But, AI has many issues and many detrimental applications as well, so don't see this comment as a full endorsement of AI.

[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

I don't want it, all it does is to negate years of learned experience and ability to organically formulate ideas.

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago

Should we trust a researcher whose brain got fried. Did they remember to do the old double-blind setup before the frying of the brains occurred?

[-] chahn.chris@piefed.social 7 points 3 weeks ago

My experience with using ai, and at this point I’d say this experience is extensive / daily, is that it gets things wrong A LOT and with a high degree of confidence in its position.

In the early stages of using it I felt my problem solving desire start to slip, but after pushing through that and realizing I should not trust this any more than I’d trust human judgment it’s more like having another person to work with. That’s helpful but if I let me own thinking guard down at all I put myself in a lot of risk.

I hope most people that do use AI regularly eventually push through to this stage and we all will be way better off in the long run for the assistance.

I fear most people won’t push through. This study points to the obstacle, I’d love to see what can be done to help people overcome it, probably there’s room for AI usage training that we need to start to consider.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

But which 10 minutes?

One sec, maybe ChatGPT knows….

[-] Darthcapi@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

I fully support skepticism over ai and concerns over its use. But let’s be skeptical about the skeptics. There’s been news in the last week that companies are cutting jobs and blaming ai. I doubt critical thinkers are hanging it up and relying on ai.

[-] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

Have you ever met an executive? Have you ever met any actual capitalist?

They aren't particularly smart people. They just have no physical capability for empathy. That is how they can exist. AI is good enough to reduce workload. It is fantastic especially at correcting speech and translating.

You know what worker class needs corrected speech and translating but otherwise can be taught to do most office and entry level jobs? Outsourced workers.

Companies slowed outsourcing customer-facing positions due to backlash from obvious accents and poor cross-cultural training. AI has allowed them full steam ahead. While real time voice masking is a little expensive right now, AI chat agents are good enough to be used while having an outsourced worker listen in, feed 'correct' lines to the AI (or simply skip incorrect lines) and actually perform the actions.

GAN ML is also good enough, as it turns out, to figure out how to complete many office tasks with full desktop screen captures.

If you combine these two things, and add a little marketing spin, what you have is a very clear plan to eliminate 50-70% of labor cost in the US -- that is the majority of customer service and office administration workers.

Right now it's AI facing, (statistically) Indian outsourced agent backed solutions. Eventually those outsourced agents -- which have the totality of their job recorded, every mouse click, every key press, every single word said to their coworkers and managers, every single blink, all to train AI -- will be out of a job too.

Nevermind this ends capitalism, as without a consumer base there will be no companies, but oh wait, techbros and capitalists are pushing for UBI. . . Isn't that weird they'd be pushing an objectively socialist idea... I wonder if that's related.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 5 points 3 weeks ago

I've been using ChatGPT since it came out and yet my brain isn't nearly fried enough to fall for clickbait headlines this obvious.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 2 weeks ago

study already came out that hs people graduating cant even read or write, functionally illterate.

[-] architect@thelemmy.club 4 points 2 weeks ago

You can’t see the same kind of propaganda your grandparents were saying about computers just for ai now?

Besides, why are colleges passing illiterate students? That’s the actual problem.

[-] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

There’s a tiny difference between then and now called scientific evidence. These are actual scientific studies saying that using AI results in lower cognitive abilities.

[-] deadymouse@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Well, when I communicate with the AI for more than two to five minutes, I almost always find myself something like in a picture, if someone didn't understand, it's a character from the idiocracy movie.

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