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[-] RoboticMask@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

While I don't condone DDoS attacks, the only reason for D4 to be online-only is monetization IMO: Blizzard wants to sell cosmetics, so people have to see other people wearing them. There is little gameplay benefit from being an MMO-lite.

[-] teft@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Probably all sorts of datamining regarding the way people play also. Can't do that so easily if people are playing offline.

[-] IowaMan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Brilliant insight. They probably are tracking metrics on what will encourage people to buy stuff the most too

[-] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

Activision owns patents on the following:

  • A system that tracks what store items you might be interested in, and places you in matches with high-skilled players who own that item, making you associate the item with high skill

  • A system that places you against lower-skilled opponents immediately after you bought an item, making you associate making a purchase with being better.

From here to "they want you to look at other players and how expensive their shit is" is only one step. Honestly at this point I'm even surprised they're not faking it entirely, making other players just happen to be wearing expensive skins on your screen even if the actual account hasn't bought that. It's not like you can check anyway.

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[-] Alenalda@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I experienced this first hand playing wow. The team will straight up send out email surveys asking if players would be willing to pay x for y service with different people getting different prices. They calculate these things to extract as much money from the dedicated fans as possible. I went back to playing the private servers.

[-] IowaMan@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I came to the same conclusion as you: why would people buy their stuff if they could just run an unlocker script or edit a config file to give that stuff to them? It's basically malicious DRM

[-] query@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

All DRM is malicious, and DRM is why not to buy. Plenty of other games that you can buy and also own.

[-] valaramech@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Potentially unpopular opinion, I like running into random other players in the world, particularly when doing events. I don't give a fuck about Blizzard's cosmetics and, frankly, unless I'm examining people, I can't even tell what they're wearing half the time.

[-] TheRealNeenja@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

And you should have the option to do so.

But that doesn't mean other people shouldn't have the option to play offline if they so choose.

[-] JeffCraig@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

This one is hard for me to have an opinion on.

Loot rolls need to be controlled by the server, or else people will just exploit all that stuff.

Diablo doesn't have a lot of mechanics that really need players to interact with each other, but games like that and WOW are entirely based around gear grind. All accomplishment requires players to have a level playing field or players just won't want to play. It's just wierd like that.

If people want an offline game, they should buy an offline game. It's not that smart to buy an always-online game and then complain about it.

[-] Varyag@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

That was probably the intention of the DDoS attack. Screw always-online singleplayer games.

[-] IowaMan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Do you know if there's any statement or if it's known who did this?

[-] bill_1992@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I'm a bit wary of their DDoS claims. This happened during their Battle.net sale (which would increase traffic) and during the outage their CS was telling people to try multiple times (which is a great way to hammer the servers).

It's likely they just couldn't handle the load, or ran into the thundering herd problem, and just claimed ddos because they didn't know better.

[-] Gangreless@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Forced online is literally the only reason my husband and I didn't buy this game. We can't be the only ones and they're definitely missing out on a good chunk of money

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

Online requirement for single player content is insane.

[-] mantisteabaggin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It’s a dealbreaker for me, personally. I just won’t buy a game like that, no matter how much I want to play it.

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yup. Unless it's a multiplayer-only game, there's no reason to require an always-on Internet connection except to data mine you.

[-] venoft@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

That's why I don't buy a bilzzard game until like 6-12 months after. its cheaper and actually finished. D3 launch was a fuckfest too.

[-] bill_1992@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I actually bought Diablo 4 during the downtime, and refunded it the next day when their support page was back up.

I find their claim of DDoS a bit dubious, and it's not like there aren't playbooks against DDoS. A 12 hour outage is insane either way.

[-] The_Vampire@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Even if it was a DDoS, they're the ones that decided to make the game vulnerable to such attacks in the first place. Even if they had valid reasons (which I find suspect), actions have consequences.

[-] Gangreless@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Forced online is literally the only reason my husband and I didn't buy this game. We can't be the only ones and they're definitely missing out on a good chunk of money

[-] panda_paddle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

If you haven't tried it, I highly recommend Grim Dawn.

[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

This has never been a problem for Path Of Exile, but that is free to play.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I quit everything Blizzard after Starcraft 2, that game had so much down time, and although it did have an offline option, you couldn't get new technologies as rewards in the campaign, when servers were down. Making it kind of redundant to have the offline mode IMO.

You can call it a boycott, but a company gone bad, rarely turns back to good again.

Fool me once and all that.

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[-] Anemervi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

How do you know that no one who has played PoE has needed/wanted offline mode?

Personally I don't play PoE because of their policy on respeccing. An offline mode would likely make it possible for me to bypass that with mods.

Speaking of mods D2 had awesome ones so it's sad 3, 4 & PoE are so locked down with the online mode to prevent this.

[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I don't, but I have never seen anyone complain about it. I am but one voice is this world, though.

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[-] Dane@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Path of Exile is online only as well. Diablo 3 however many years ago was online only too. This genre has been this way for a LONG time now. I understand people would like an offline mode but that fight should have happened 12 years ago if they really cared.

[-] CannaVet@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

PoE is at least free lol

[-] panda_paddle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I disagree, the genre has not been this way for a long time. You named two games and one was Blizzards test for online only. Should I counter those examples with Grim Dawn, Torchlight 2, Diablo 2 Resurrected, Van Helsing, and Titan Quest?

[-] sw2de3fr4gt@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

People are still buying games from Blizzard? It's like everybody forgot what a terrible company it is.

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

This sadly works for people these days.

[-] TONKAHANAH@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Doesn't matter. You can rape children and murder an entire bus of puppies. If you're releasing a new version of everyone's favorite thing, you're immediately forgiven.

That's the society we live in. "my entertainment and desires above all else!"

[-] Feweroptions@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Look, it's a shitty version of a game I loved 20 years ago. Rape all the kids you want, just please let me have diablo 4!!!

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

I quit buying Blizzard products after the bNetd fiasco. Fuck them straight to hell.

[-] AlexTheLost@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

I'm not exactly a fan of forced online games, but I decided a long time ago that any game that I couldn't download the server for wasn't worth 10¢ let alone how ever much they charge for it

[-] EatPlutonium@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

i got the game with a new gpu otherwise i wouldn't buy it. its not bad but requiring an internet connection is so stupid..

id much rather play anytime/place vs being able to see other players in town or whatever..

games like this (and rdr2) really need to add a single player mode that doesn't require internet, its really stupid that you can be locked out of basically a single player game because u don't have internet..

[-] mawkishdave@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I would not be surprised if they tried to make this a subscription offer.

[-] TakeshiKovacs@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

but if they did that, how would they try and tempt you into buying Mtx by showing other whales with all the cash shop gear?

They spent money patenting for this shit after all.

[-] Nioxic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

an offline mode being available... would mean offline only characters that cannot be in seasons etc. i'd like the option.

but based on a lot of "hotfixes" they've applied so far..

it seems like a lot of the game is run purely server-side. so i guess its not possible without a large overhaul of some code.. which of course, i'm fine with. it just means more work from blizzard, and thus i doubt it'll happen anytime soon.

[-] ghariksforge@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I don't buy games that don't have an offline mode.

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