And this is not going to end even if they ban them. Mark those songs as AI and let people filter them out.
But we do need a new music service where every artist has to prove they are the ones making music on live stream and only then they are allowed to upload songs.
Mark those songs as AI and let people filter them out.
Deezer does just that. As per the article:
Songs tagged as AI-generated on Deezer are automatically removed from algorithmic recommendations and not included in editorial playlists. The company announced today that it will no longer store hi-res versions of AI tracks.
They've been working on systems to recognise AI songs for quite some time now.
Fuck me man, I guess I'll just never consume art again.
Even if I tell you that Hans Zimmer is cooking Dune 3 score?
Nah, there's still all the art that was created before GenAI, from the Epic of Gilgamesh to Undertale.
Maybe they should stop allowing it
i'm sure most people using streaming platforms don't care about it. a lot of people don't even know what their favorite genre is, they just play whatever is popular or getting into their feed.
I quit Spotify when I found that half of the music on random jazz playlists I'd listen to were all AI. My whole family told me I was full of shit and they've never encountered that haha. Caused a lot of drama since we have a family plan.
Tunes generated by LLM bots should never considered as music.
Same thing my grand father says about EDM. Personally, if I can tap my feet to it, it's music. I doubt you would be able to tell the difference in a blind test in any case.
I don't have a lot to give in this world. Despite working hard I'm not earning much, but I believe it's important for each and every one of us to give a little of the little we have. So today I give you my downvote. Please take good care of it.
Sure thing DJGPT, whatever makes you happy
I don't think it belongs on platforms like Deezer but it's silly to not call it music.You can hate how it's made but the bar for something to be music isn't dependant on the fact. Downvote me I guess.
If I steal someone else’s song and put my name on it nobody reasonable would say I made it.
This whole AI-art fucktrain is entirely propped up by people who never made art before suddenly thinking they know something.
My issue is more about not calling it music. Imo, if it's groovy and my brain enjoys it, it's music.
There's some music I seriously don't enjoy as well but I still consider it music because someone does.
That being said, I don't label AI stuff as "made". I'm quick with making the distinction when sharing with friends and stuff. I agree with that part. Although it becomes blurry at times. Making something with samples is still making it, what about making it with AI generated samples? I don't consider it stealing in any case, much too transformative imo.
I think we should separate the platforms but I'm not sure where certain things should land. It's all music for me though.
Thanks for taking the time to explain yourself! I wanted to jump in to potentially clear up a difference of semantics, y'all are just using different interpretations of a phrase and I think it's worth exploring.
If I take the person you originally replied to and continue the thought on my own, I think "it shouldn't be called music" is trying to express that "this content should be fundamentally distinct from music because it displaces artists who, as a group, are finding it increasingly hard to sustain themselves on their art alone".
If your relationship with music stops at something to tap your foot to, then you may or may not appreciate the value music has for society in the form of things like expression, protest, criticism, unity, and faith. Every time we listen to a bot-generated song, it takes a listen away from a human artist and pushes us toward a world eventually devoid of those artistic contributions.
Whether or not it fits into the same musical category as human-generated media isn't really the point worth talking about (it's trained on that after all, of course it's similar!). What we need is a way to keep it from displacing human-generated art, and I don't think calling it music or not is enough.
If I steal someone else’s song and put my name on it nobody reasonable would say I made it.
People were saying the same thing about sampling in hip hop. Yeah if you do a 1 to 1 copy of a song then that's not making art but if you take elements from a song and rearrange them then that is.
And there have been a lot of discussions over the decades over artists/"aritists" who overly sampled a song and became orders of magnitude bigger than the original artist.
Its a balancing act. Most people aren't going to get too annoyed if someone uses generative AI to help build a backing track or a beat to go with their song.
The issue is that so much of this slop is "make a song like this" from scratch. And while there is a lot to be said about manufactured acts and the role of major labels... one of the few good things about spotify et al destroying the music industry is that it has become so much easier for smaller independent artists to get a foothold.
And all this does is add more slop to push them back out. And the difficulties with detecting slop will mean people will be a lot less likely to ever check out a smaller band when they can instead listen to whatever the latest major act that beyonce et al vouched for is.
On the contrary that soulless shit belongs to garbage platforms that is killing the music industry.
I am not debating with you what music means to me, please understand that MR. DJGPT
I have no idea what Deezer is, and I'm afraid if I ask, somebody is just going to say "DEEZER NUTS!!!" and I will realize it was a big prank.
Self-gottem
Music streaming like Spotify or Napster.
Spot deez nuts!
Nutster
From Deezer’s website, the detection system tags songs that are either fully AI generated rather than produced or mastered with the help of AI tools. You can also appeal if you believe your music was falsely flagged.
I strongly oppose the use of generative AI in art but if it has to be done, it should at least be labeled as AI (ideally by the “creator” themselves).
I wonder how accurate the AI detection tools are though, considering how common are posts where AI detection tools used in schools falsely flagged student assignments.
There was a song I quite liked which had several million views on YouTube which I was surprised to see was flagged as AI generated. No one I showed it to it could hear any obvious signs of AI. The main red flags were that the artists released several albums in a short time span and had no online presence on any platform you would expect to see musicians on (Bandcamp, Discogs, etc) besides YouTube and the streaming ones.
The main red flags were that the artists released several albums in a short time span and had no online presence on any platform you would expect to see musicians on (Bandcamp, Discogs, etc) besides YouTube and the streaming ones.
Honestly, those seem like pretty big red flags since that is how actual bands manage to actually get paid.
I strongly oppose the use of generative AI in art but if it has to be done, it should at least be labeled as AI.
I know I’m mostly preaching to the choir here, but I don’t think there’s any situation in which AI ‘has’ to be used in art.
I'm no artist. If I ever had the inspiration to make a song it would have to be AI generated. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Of course that would be a one off with a small audience.
With good mastering post, you can mostly eliminate the "Suno shimmer", but other than artists using local models, the big ones (Suno, Udio, et al) have digital fingerprinting in the audio file... which is also part of the reason for the "Suno shimmer" sound.
Also, Suno is partnered with WMG since November... their model has license.
And here I am struggling and fighting with my distributor ever time I upload a new instrumental album because they can’t confirm that it’s all original work.
Who's your distributor? I used SongTradr for a while and I'm looking for a new one for my next release
I'm using OneRPM at the moment. Other than the sometimes frustrating approval process, they have been ok. It's free with the 30% cut. I don't get enough streams to earn a significant amount so it made the most sense to me vs using a paid distributor.
Yikes
This (moreso for youtube music, since Deezer seems to not have a lot of East Asian labels signed) is a huge part of why I've been building out a selfhosted Navidrome.
Obviously there is the old school way of getting music. But Bandcamp is WAY more beneficial to the artists and ebay and Half Price Books are also awesome for grabbing music.
And combine all that with musicbrainz for scrobbling and discoverability of new bands.
I rrecently built a home server and tried getting into Navidrome, but I kinda disliked the UI - didn't feel as intuitive to me and kinda clunky. How do you listen to your music primarily? If on a phone, do you have an app to stream the music to you?
Symfonium on my phone (so also android auto and just connecting to a bluetooth speaker while I cook) and Feishin on my desktop. Still need to verify that scrobbles are propagated correctly for discoverability purposes (so far it looks like ratings in Feishin aren't propagated to the server).
I could probably have gotten away with just mpd but figured "why not?".
Symfonium
It's not FOSS and has the worst payment system possible (donate to the dev then send him an email, and he will give you a license for a single device), so don't feel bad pirating it.
Judging by the reviews on the app store, it's at least a 5-buck one-time purchase and not a subscription as well as a worthy purchase. I'll give this a try
Music is a weird art form, because something sounding familiar is very important to our ear. Many people have a really hard time liking music that is too foreign to their taste and end up sticking with only a select few genres.
Where familiarity is important, AI can deliver easily. I would think as much as we hate the idea, there is a pretty significant market for AI-generated music, specifically because it's so predictable and follows convention to a tee.
There is indeed a market for people who don't care what is playing or who made it, and just want to hear the same familiar generic chords, rhythms, and vocals of whatever genre(s) they've grown up listening to. Not to be too blunt, but some people have no taste, and yes, they can eat slop and not notice the difference. Ok, good for them.
But those people are throwing fertilizer on AI weeds that will consume all the water and sunlight that nurtures actual music. That is really a problem.
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