As part of the plan, the US has in principle agreed to lift all primary and secondary sanctions against Iran and to withdraw US combat forces from all bases in the region, the council said according to state media.
Yeah… none of this will happen. I hate Trump and this illegal war is abhorrent. That said, if you take Iranian state media at face value I have a bridge to sell you.
That is a huge issue today... American state media and Iran state media are basically guaranteed to be lying.
If you add the complete capitulation of journalism in general, there is not a single source of information that can actually be trusted.
I guess we MAY see what actually happened based on what reality displays
If you add the complete capitulation of journalism in general, there is not a single source of information that can actually be trusted.
I mean how do you even report on this "truthfully"? :D
All they can do is say "this is what the two liars are saying, we don't know what will happen"
All they can do is say “this is what the two liars are saying, we don’t know what will happen”
Not really... that is exactly what I meant about the capitulation of journalism. Sure they can say something like "Trump claims the sky is green; however, multiple observations, expert testimony and reality immediately confirms this claim to be false"... instead, they just quote the lie and move on.
I get that they cannot really confirm everything, but they are not even trying anymore. There is no questioning, there is no challenge... they just echo what is posted on Tweets or whatever other garbage platform and call themselves journalists
At the VERY LEAST, they should always add the disclaimer that no evidence was provided whenever parroting a known liar
Ah, yeah I didn't think about this from a US media POV. Where I'm from, the local media reports on trump with what you said should be done, they say what trump said and then note that this is not true and theres no evidence. Because my countrys media doesn't have access to trump, they cant really ask him questions or challenge him. So the best they can do is summarize what was said and then point out the inaccuracies.
Well I do not know where you are from but your journalists seem to have stayed professionals!
Sadly, because Finland is a bilingual country, our state media focuses on the Finnish and Swedish reporting, the English version is not very wide in their reporting, most of their stuff is summaries and focused on Finland from a international perspective. So that is not a good source for foreigners to find out about world events. The Finnish version is more comprehensive and deals with more topics. The Norwegian medias are a bit better on the English language stuff.
But I thought you might find this amusing: https://yle.fi/a/74-20219379
Not a meme for those interested...
This piece of shit of a human actually complained about being fact checked
Vance and Trump's performances at the debates were the worst I"ve ever seen. By far.
Vance crying about being fact checked.
Trump saying he has concepts of plans and rambling on about immigrants eating people's pets.
And then they were elected. The U.S. truly is a clown nation.
NPR generally still does a good job of this, which is why Republicans worked so hard to defund them
They could report what's happening on the ground first, and statements second.
Yeah, none of that is at all possible, but I have to hand it to Iran saying it. They know Trump just makes shit up, so they made some shit up. Now the US can confirm, deny, or be silent. Confirm? Win. Deny? Nobody believes the US anymore. Silence is weakness and/or confirmation.
It's exactly a Trump negotiation tactic. Just state your wishlist as fact, let the other side sputter and deny, then call them names and walk all over them while they look weak and unreliable. Iran watched and learned.
Or do one even better and stay silent while also threatening any media outlets that report the terms. Now you get weakness, confirmation, and lying all in one package with a ribbon bow on top.
Unfortunately Iran is less untrustworthy than the US at this moment, even though they're both definitely lying
My thoughts exactly. There are multiple points in the plan that I just can’t see as being tenable long-term. The readiness the US accepted it sounds like a delay to either get the stock market back up or for those Marines to get across the ocean. I doubt the ceasefire makes it the full two weeks.
The announcement must have came via ai Lego diss track. People seem pretty enamored with those
Win the meme battle, win the war.
If the past decade has taught me anything it is that meme magic is real
To a degree it's already happened. US forces retreated from a lot of bases when they started getting drone attacks. So they'd have to actively move back to the Iranian border regions.
The sanctions and the rest will be a whole bigger thing that probably won't happen in full.
This whole debacle was a rousing success. The question is for whom. It wasn't a victory for the US citizens writ large. It wasn't a win for any NATO allies. It wasn't a win for the vast majority of the people in the world.
There's a few people/groups we can assume did win:
It's mostly an insider trading game at the expense of lives, money, and the US' sitting on the geopolitical stage. This is all part of the smash and grab stage of this presidency.
Also, no one is talking about the Epstein Files anymore.
the what files? i too am completely distracted from the trump-epstein friendship files
All the military weapon suppliers who now get to restock the used supply. I wouldn't be surprised if they pushed this as a way to funnel money to them.
Good analysis, agreed on all points.
Even the one about Iran's leadership. Like the top ones, the top contenders and generals who were all killed. Did they win.
Good point, and yeah no, they were murdered.
The state leadership did seem to have politically outmaneuvered the US and Israel, however. I think that was OP’s point. They definitely won the culture war and controlling the narrative…not hard considering they were not the aggressors.
Israel genocided Syrians? How devalued has that word have become?
No other nation on this planet could be harming America more than Donald Trump and the Republican party.
They are traitors. Plain and simple. They are our enemy.
i thought Iran cancelled this ceasefire and the Straits of Hormuz are closed again, because the shithead Israelis bombed and murdered more Lebanese.
Posts have a timestamp. This post is probably older than the more recent news about the massacres in Lebanon.
Something something art of the deal.
Failed business man surprisingly fails as president. What a surprise.
"He'll run it like his businesses."
Yep.
Iran also gets to charge every tanker that goes through the Strait $2,000,000 (they'll split it with Oman, who has the other side of the Strait), in order to rebuild everything that got bombed, but I'm sure that toll will go on pretty much forever. So gas supplies may slowly start to recover, but prices won't. We're going to be paying higher prices for gas, energy, any goods that need to be moved, anything made of plastic, and anything that needs fertilizer to grow, for a long time.
"United States to accept in principle its 10-point plan"
The "in principle" is importent here. Saying Iran won at this point is like saying you got a good deal before you finish haggling the price. Plus one of the points relies on Israel stopping it's attacks on Lebanon. Unless the US is willing to force Israel to stop, I doubt they will. Israel says" the ceasfire dosn't apply to Lebanon".
even that is an obvious victory for Iran
either US is a lier or unable to even enforce a deal or Iran actually gets what it asked for
Went about as well as one would expect when a war is run by two massively-unqualified TV show hosts who paid smarter people to write their term papers.
This is the best possible outcome, and humiliating for the USA
... it's too good to be true, in my opinion
Have you heard that the straight of Hormuz is closed again after the latest round of bombing again?
They will get everything they want.
As much as Trump is the most stupid person alive, I don't believe any word of this. Of course every side claims total victory. It's pretty clear the US lost in the long run and this war was a total disaster, but what is claimed here will never happen.
My prediction is that it'll come out that the Trump Administration was negotiating with Ahmed Chalabi the whole time.
Oh, wow, there's a deep cut! Love it.
Art of the deal
What a loser.
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