I'm pretty sure this is what caused beehaw to defederate lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. Several pro-reddit people posted to reddit (on a sub that is now private) about doing just that. It worked and took 48 hours or less for beehaw to defederate them. But there was a lot of discussion about the situation across several servers and it doesnt really seem to have worked to fracture the community other than isolating beehaw which already wanted to be fairly isolated to begin with.

So you're pretending that users who call for defederating an alt-right instance are basically trolls that created their account just for that and to divide users? When it's well known that it's alt-right communities that are filled with bots and foreign troll farms?

Ok.

At the same time "people" against it keep recreating new discussions about being against defederation... Seems pretty sus to me 🤔 You're sure you're barking at the right tree? I'm starting to suspect that you guys are just a bunch of EH (or whatever) users coming here to cause trouble... It would fit with the fact that a whole bunch of anti-defederation users were also hanging around or moderating on the local T_D community until it was banned.

You know you can create your own instance and you can be its sole user so you get to chose what you do with it? The admin here decided to give users democratic control over the instance and contrary to a Nation, it's very very easy to move to another instance if your disagree with the will of the majority so much that you don't feel welcome anymore.

Instead of defederating whole servers, I would like admins to have an “opt out” or “un-default” button, then each user can browse the list of servers that have been opted out and individually opt in again instead of having to move their username to a different server.

We did not thrive amongst trolls on Reddit. Reddit banned and contained certain subreddits. It works. It made the platform a better place for everyone else. Defederation accomplishes the same thing

Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but this whole thing is starting to sound like "don't interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." Was it rigged from the start? For a couple of days everyone was civil and in less than a week, "Let's Get Ready toooo RUMBLE"!

Was there another way?

the whole point of fediverse is that everyone should spin up their own instance. if everyone just joins someone else's server, it kinda defeats the purpose.

and yea, if i was them, i would also create a bunch of accounts to spam non-leftwing-moderated instances with racist and nazi stuff to give them ammunition for defederation, just like they do on 4chan

edit: addendum: activity pub sucks

a decentralized platform (aka fediverse) is already divided, that's just the nature of how it's set up.

the real issue is that, by trying to create "safe" spaces (as beehaw did), defederating all instances that challenge that mindset just creates insular and rather meaningless echo chambers.

ultimately, this platform will devolve into close minded communities

I understand that it's a technicas issue that we have to have instances with a lot of people on them right now so that the more technically inclined people can set up the software so that the others can just use it. But the problem is that when it is like that then there are two sides of the problem, users have no control over their content and what they can consume and admins can be responsible for things the users do/post.

I really hope that in the future there will be some technology which would be able to live without central sevrers but instead it would be a p2p sollution which would replicate itself onto your devices where you want to have it. Only then we'll be able to be autonomous enough.

We have bittorrent with the magnet links which are only a couple of bytes big, back in the day I kind of suspected that on top of something like that we would build p2p social networks, but it never happened, I'm not sure why.

I'll ignore this conspiracy theory, painting those wanting defederation as some social media giants psy-op, to get to the same underlying problem we always come back to: not wanting others to decide what we can or cannot see.

The fact is that we are merely borrowing space in someone else's home: they pay the bills, clean the space, and decide the rules that guests must follow; it's their place, we don't have any right to dictate them how to keep it. The only way to have absolute freedom regarding the content you can consume would be to build your own place, I.E., your own server, which as the analogy implies isn't the easiest task, and requires some means and knowledge.

In the case of your instance, the admin has decided to let the guests decide on the modalities of housekeeping. A significant amount of people have made their wish known, and aren't satisfied by putting a folding screen in front of their problem. Like it or not, on an instance ruled by its users, that's something that will need to be formally addressed at some point.

How about embrace and enshittyfy like Google Talk did with XMPP?

I imagine the Fediverse isn't really a threat? They can play the long game and probably don't care about the amount of people who left. There's not much to gain bringing us down either since we'll just migrate somewhere else.