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[-] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 154 points 3 weeks ago

Just to spell out what many comments already hint at:

There are no US-made routers. "Made" here refers to companies, not where the stuff is actually made. Even if the plastic housing happened to be made in the US for one or two products, the components are still from far away.

Those few US companies paid MAGA for this.

This is corruption pure and simple.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 47 points 3 weeks ago

And also I'm SURE there will be no backdoors installed in these routers. This was a mutual deal to control information, not just a financial one

[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 weeks ago

It's okay when it's OUR backdoor, it's not okay when it's their speculative backdoor.

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[-] Australis13@fedia.io 126 points 3 weeks ago

Are there actually any US-made consumer network routers on the market? All the brands I can think of are pretty much made in Asia these days.

[-] thejml@sh.itjust.works 58 points 3 weeks ago

Ubiquiti is an American company, not sure if the tech is really MADE here though, seems like that'd be weird considering the components are all made outside the US anyway.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 3 weeks ago

Ubiquiti may not be considered consumer with regards to this, but it’s pretty unclear so it’s a bit of a gamble.

[-] thejml@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, it's all so ambiguous. I switched to them because they were better made and cheaper than the Netgear I was forced to replace after 1.5yrs. It'll be interesting to see where this ends up. Probably lawsuits. Glad I'm already set for a while, I guess.

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[-] osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 17 points 3 weeks ago

Functionally no. This will force most users to use whatever their ISP provides.

[-] tyler@programming.dev 19 points 3 weeks ago

Those can’t be imported either lol. This ruling will never stand up in court.

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

Nah, "conditional approval" is written into the regulation. You might know this wording better as "pay us a large sum and we'll give you approval."

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[-] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 102 points 3 weeks ago

It's incredible how every day in this country continues to be unimaginably dumber than the last.

[-] 1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's really amazing how this country just ran on word and vibes up to this point. Turns out you could just do whatever and nobody would have the cajones to stop you

[-] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 101 points 3 weeks ago

The rent for your ISP provided hardware is about to go up by x10. Also you will get a letter saying you don't have an approved router installed.

[-] Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 94 points 3 weeks ago

So consumer grade routers are a security risk, but not ISP switches or server routers? That's the opposite of what a state level actor would look for.

[-] aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, it’s kind of old news that these consumer routers make up the majority of bot nets, although I doubt requiring them to be US-made will change much.

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[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 89 points 3 weeks ago

Be ready to get shut out of the global internet and only use Trumpernet.

Seriously though, they'll block yalls internet access in a few years.

[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago

The Great Firewall of ~~China~~ FREEDOM

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[-] Tarambor@lemmy.world 88 points 3 weeks ago

The only slight problem with this is that there are no routers made in the USA.

[-] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 16 points 3 weeks ago

Well, you can run your own router on your own hardware but other than that, agreed.

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Is that hardware also made in the US ><

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[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 70 points 3 weeks ago

So... all network routers?

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[-] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 65 points 3 weeks ago

Great, so zero network products can be sold, and we have to dispose of any existing ones in a couple years.

I guess the US won't have any Internet anymore.

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[-] maplesaga@lemmy.world 58 points 3 weeks ago

Something is happening, first the age verification and now this. They're setting up to verify identities online I presume?

[-] daychilde@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago

The fascists always attack free speech, and our first amendment rights have been under attack from many directions.

[-] Australis13@fedia.io 19 points 3 weeks ago

I'm more wondering that if all consumer network routers have to be made in the US (e.g. forcing people to use the ISP-provided one), it makes it easier for them to utilise the ISP's backdoors for monitoring of people's LANs. If that's actually the goal, then the next logical step would be to deny anyone access using a third-party router or ISP-provided router that didn't have their firmware.

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 57 points 3 weeks ago

I’m so glad they’re focusing on this instead of how shitty and expensive our home internet is.

[-] Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 weeks ago

You'll be able to save so much money once private households wont have internet anymore!

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[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 48 points 3 weeks ago

What's the play here? Something isn't making sense.

With the Trump administration, the only thing you can be sure of is that the stated reason isn't the real reason. Somebody's got to be getting a payday from this.

[-] Bieren@lemmy.today 20 points 3 weeks ago

It’s a money grab. About the only networking companies that build in the us are like Cisco and juniper. Which odds are, you aren’t running at home. This is without a doubt a money grab. Google and Amazon will gladly pay the exemption fee. Some others will as well. This isn’t about security or “pay American”. It’s a money grab.

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[-] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago

The next step is government approved routers with NSA backdoors.

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[-] ClownStatue@piefed.social 39 points 3 weeks ago

So at what point do they ban all new computers not made domestically?

[-] IratePirate@feddit.org 24 points 3 weeks ago

So at what point do they ban all new computers ~~not made domestically~~?

FTFY. It's the same thing.

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[-] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 3 weeks ago

This is so stupid that I can barely even think of a nefarious reason to do it.

[-] Triumph@fedia.io 53 points 3 weeks ago

It's so they can more reliably distribute their own backdoors.

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[-] btsax@reddthat.com 33 points 3 weeks ago

You can install router software on any computer

https://opnsense.org/

[-] otacon239@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

For anyone looking into this, I recommend picking up a “network appliance” PC. They’re low-spec, often fanless, and come with 4 Ethernet ports. You can often get them for roughly the same price as a router. You will need to provide your own WiFi AP with this method.

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[-] Antaeus@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago

Cisco is made in China. Ubiquiti, Vietnam or Thailand I think.

How is this going to work?

[-] Kissaki@feddit.org 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If we see a reversal of the policy soon then it was a standard playbook policy announcement to receive corrupt bribery money from some big manufacturers and importers. If we don't, it may very well have been with no takers anyway.

We've seen it plenty before (within the last year). Like tarrifs, then exclusions, etc.

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[-] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 30 points 3 weeks ago

Protectionism at its finest! What should the rest of the world make of US consumer routers? All good? No backdoors letting friendly people in?

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[-] aport@programming.dev 25 points 3 weeks ago

What the fuck are they doing?

[-] kieron115@startrek.website 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Taking a huge payment from Comcast and Verizon would be my guess. The language appears to exclude ISP-owned routers.

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[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago

Spying on citizens at best. Manipulating content at worst.

[-] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

All the thrift stores here throw them away. I've got dozens of them, variety of all types piled up in the closet because why the fuck the not? Fucking knew they'd come after them eventually.

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[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

Quick question. What would happen if China decided to get angry about this, and stop selling 100% of their goods to American companies unless they allowed 100% of their goods to be sold without restrictions?

[-] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 22 points 3 weeks ago
[-] tyler@programming.dev 14 points 3 weeks ago

Oh so nothing would change then. Good to know.

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[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

designating all consumer routers manufactured outside the U.S. as a security risk

So this is horseshit, right?

First of all, ALL routers from ANY country are a security risk? Every single other nation is trying to make Spyware for the average American consumer? Doubt.

Second, they are extremely concerned with all consumers' security from foreign actors to the point it needs an outright ban on hardware to protect us. God forbid I buy an AVM router from Germany and open up my home networking to German Spies. What if they find out I sometimes visit porn websites and yourube!?

Third, that the US government, themselves, are trustworthy and wont force backdoors into systems to allow them unfettered access into private networks, something that they HAVE TRIED TO AND SUCCEEDED TO DO IN THE PAST. And also something that they are very clearly opening the door for with all of these legal pushes toward requiring age verification software and OS's. They want to ban foreign routers so that you have to buy routers from companies that they can control. They can ask, coerce and force them to give them access behind the scenes for some bullshit excuse ("protect the kiddies", "law enforcement", "national security", "terrorism"), force them to not tell the public, and then "secretly" monitor every device in the entire country. They are almost certainly already doing this with a significant number of US manufacturers and software developers.

Fuck these fascists.

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[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

I think you guy are forgetting Occam Razor… the most likely scenario (least assumptions) here is that some inept appointee from the orange pedo thought this would be a good idea and pushed it with the research, planning and preparation we all put at farting after eating Taco Bell

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[-] kieron115@startrek.website 11 points 3 weeks ago

I’m thinking exempt based on the FCC language of “designed to be installed by the consumer”. ISP provided routers are usually hooked up by the installer tech. Which makes me wonder which ISP chortled orange man’s balls to get this passed.

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