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[-] krimsonbun 129 points 1 year ago

even with all borders removed ireland still isn't reunified

[-] Noodle07@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

They dug out the border to fill it with water. The northern moat they call it

[-] jdf038@mander.xyz 22 points 1 year ago

Time traveling Ira songs intensify

[-] TheProtagonist@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

This map was brought to you by Britain, the great!

[-] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It never will, it’d be pure folly to believe otherwise.

[-] Seraph@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago

At the same time, 1491, you can do a map of horses in North America with the same result!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago
[-] Seraph@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Interesting! Wonder how that would've changed early American cultures if they hadn't died off?

[-] weariedfae@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Hey, just a little FYI but humans were in North America before the horse went extinct* so they likely did have some interaction with ancient cultures.

_* From what I gather there is heated debate as to whether the domesticated horse that was brought back to North America is truly non-native. I'm not a paleontologist nor phylogeneticist so I can't speak to any of that.

Thanks, I read it as 1941 and thought it was something about ww2

[-] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

And avocado.

All the good things that end in O

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Even Spaghetti-Os. Can't have those without the tomato sauce.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Those are banned in Europe. Thankfully.

There's some contraband here and there, but the food police is on the case.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago
[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

It's amazing that we can recreate this map with such accuracy!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Wait until you see the map of the Americas before 1492 with the shredded wheat/oatmeal divide.

[-] promitheas@iusearchlinux.fyi 13 points 1 year ago

Please explain meme for us who aren't this well versed in history

It's a meta meme. There are a few popular memes out there showing the divide between "Potato Europe" and "Tomato Europe"

But this one is showing neither because it predates their arrival in Europe, I guess.

[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 20 points 1 year ago

finally, Ireland is made whole

[-] Unforeseen@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Neither existed in Europe back then. I'm not sure if there is another reference to that exact date I'm missing

[-] loboaureo@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

América was discovered by Colon in 1492 and bring the first potato and tomato seeds to Europe

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure he didn't discover it, what with people having lived there for tens of thousands of years.

[-] lugal@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

I never got this semitic discussion. I can discover a cabin in a forest or a store in a city but Columbus can't discover a continent because he wasn't the first one who discovered it?

[-] Catoblepas 8 points 1 year ago

This would have more merit if he ever set foot in North America. He landed in the Bahamas. It’s technically part of the North American tectonic plate, but so is part of Iceland.

[-] lugal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Because America is only North America?

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago

Yes moron, that is colloquially what it means

[-] lugal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And there is no causal relation between the discovery of these

Edit: Also: the meme is about potatoes and tomatoes which come from around central America. They aren't USA exports. The meme is about the discovery of America as in the Americas

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And it doesn't matter, because what is up for dispute is what people mean when they say America. Which is North America, regardless of the actual facts. That's what colloquial means

Pay attention to what is actually being discussed before running your mouth to make yourself sound smart.

[-] lugal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Context matters. When it's about the discovery of America, it's the double continent since north and south America were not discovered separately. They are one landmass

Edit: Also you were the one saying "actually America is Nort America so Columbus didn't discover the real America". Think about the context before trying to sound smart

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago

Not in the real world where U.S.-centric dumbasses live in their own reality and force everyone else to go along with it with guns and nukes.

You and I both know the term America applies to both continents, but to the NPCs, it doesn't. That's literally what colloquialism is -- what NPCs say, and that is what was up for dispute. Not the actual facts of the matter.

Edit: Also you were the one saying “actually America is Nort America so Columbus didn’t discover the real America”. Think about the context before trying to sound smart

No, no, you're clearly confusing me with the other guy because you are angry I called you out on trying and failing to sound smart. Breathe in through your nose, hold 4 seconds, breathe out with your mouth, and read the screen names again.

[-] lugal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

To be clear: in most cases I too use America synonym with USA but to say "Columbus discovered the USA", well, ...

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 year ago

It's a good thing no one is claiming Columbus discovered the USA then, isn't it?

Or are you that pathetic and desparate to win an argument on the Internet that you need to use that blatant of a strawman?

No one here is fighting or trying to win anything except you. Grow the fuck up.

[-] lugal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

The argument started when I talked about Columbus discovering America and someone said "he never was in north America". Then you called me a morron for pointing out that America is more than just north America

[-] Catoblepas 2 points 1 year ago

He didn't introduce potatoes or tomatoes to Europe either, that happened decades later.

[-] lugal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago
[-] Catoblepas 2 points 1 year ago

By this reasoning it was actually the Queen of Spain that 'discovered' the Americas, potatoes, and tomatoes.

[-] lugal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It was Columbus who thought the earth is small enough to circuit it

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

I discovered a new restaurant last week. It's been around for decades but it was new to me. I can't remember the first time I tasted a tomato or potato, but to the Europeans it must have been amazing! And don't forget chocolate!

You are correct about the thriving and ancient civilizations in the "New World" of course. Getting olives and oranges and figs, even horses, doesn't feel like enough compensation for what happened to them...

[-] loboaureo@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

The gravity was there from the beginning of time, but Newton discovered it.

English is not my first language but as long as you specify for who, you can use discover, like "I discovered this movie last year, it's my new favorite movie since then' and the movie was published 40 years ago.

[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I thought it was discovered by ship

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Do potato grow from seeds? I thought they just grew from other potato.

[-] loboaureo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, you are right , he brings potatoes and tomatoes seeds, not potatoes seeds and tomatoes seeds

[-] Voyajer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They can be, they're nightshades so they make little tomato-like berries which contain seeds. Usually people just replant potatoes instead because it's easier and they grow faster.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Italy didn't have tomatoes in the 1490's? 🤔

What did they put on the pasta back then?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

While being totally wrong because it wasn't called Alfredo at the time and wouldn't be until like 1930s, they did often put oil, herbs, and cheese on pasta before the popularity of the tomato so you are still correct.

[-] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Surprised irland isn't yellow arint they known for liking potatoes

[-] GlendatheGayWitch@lib.lgbt 6 points 1 year ago

Potatoes aren't native to Europe. Europeans first discovered the potato after traveling to the Americas.

[-] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Belarus and everything else?

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