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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 203 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah, but because amongst all those people killed by the Israeli army in the very place they told them to shelter, there isn't a nice looking western girl with glamour pictures on social networks, the murder of those people will never cause the same disgust in the West as the plight of the girl kidnapped by Hamas which has been turned into a constantly repeated Israeli propaganda piece (you can tell it's now being pushed as propaganda because it's been repeated well beyond its newsworthiness and always with the same glamour picture).

The gapping chasm in numbers between those murdered by Israel and those by Hamas is inverted in terms of the disgust they cause in the West exactly because Israeli has a vastly superior propaganda machine.

Thinking people would start wondering why, reliably, 100s of murdered palestinians are portrayed with less emphasys than 1 kidnapped israeli-german teenager.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's actually because the "refugee camp" is a city of 120,000 people that have been there for 76 years in permanent buildings.

It was struck because militants were firing from it. Yes, there will be civilian casualties while Hamas is hiding in civilian structures. That's what Hamas does.

You're falling for their playbook, their propaganda machine, so to speak. Everyone knew this was going to happen the moment Hamas struck.

[-] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 2 years ago

Everyone knew this was going to happen the moment Hamas struck.

This. All part of the terrorist's playbook - invoke persecution to radicalise more people.

It doesn't make Israel's behavior ok, but the crocodile tears are a bit sickening.

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[-] Rutzs@kbin.social 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Hamas are animals. Abducting children and internationals. These last few days have shown they do not deserve sympathy. Watching Palestinians cheer when rockets get launched just proves my point.

[-] filister@lemmy.world 110 points 2 years ago

So instead you are cheering when civilians on the other side are being killed. Great logic. I hope you feel morally superior and can sleep better at night.

[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago

Where did he cheer that Palestinian civilians got killed?

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[-] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Cutting off food, water and electricity for 2.3 million people.

I wonder if people notice the irony of Israel recreating the Warsaw ghetto.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They have been horrifically oppressed for decades.

They have lived in constant fight for your life squalor while America keeps siphoning money and weapons to Israel, who, in turn, simply tortures Palestine.

I dont condone it, but I can't bring myself to fake outrage or surprise.

America caused this.

America needs to stop funding terrorists (Israel). It only breeds more terrorists (Hamas).

And at the end of the day, that was the point.

There is another armed conflict for American military contractors to cash in on.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 33 points 2 years ago

America needs to stop funding terrorists (Israel). It only breeds more terrorists (Hamas).

Add to your list that Israel actively funded Hamas in the 90s to take the steam out of the Palestinian peace movement.

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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 34 points 2 years ago

So that justifies deliberately targeting civilians? Israel is no better than Hamas.

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[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 28 points 2 years ago
[-] Nobsi@feddit.de 21 points 2 years ago

Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them

1937 - Peel commission, rejected

1947 - Partition resolution, rejected

2000 - Camp David, rejected

2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.

2008 - Olmert offer, rejected

Here's a video (in the article) where the chief palestinian negotiator explains what was offered in 2008. Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new 'policy document' accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103

Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected

1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.

1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.

1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.

1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.

1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected

1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.

1949: Israel's outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.

1967: Israel's outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.

1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).

1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt).

1995: Rabin's Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.

2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.

2005: Sharon's peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.

2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.

2009 to 2021: Netanyahu's repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.

2014: Kerry's Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

Not gonna link Trump's imbecilic peace plan as an example.

Here is a list of peace offers the Palestinians offered to Israel -

None

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[-] rivermonster@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 years ago

I'm confused. Weren't they told to leave because it was being targeted?

[-] trebuchet@lemmy.ml 124 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

From the article's sub headline: ”Palestinians in Beit Hanoun were instructed by Israeli army to leave their homes and head for city centre. Hours later, the city centre was targeted”

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 48 points 2 years ago

Because Israel is fucking evil. Not Jews. Israel.

Why is Israel evil?

Extensive grooming by America.

[-] TheMauveAvenger@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

Do Israelis have no agency in your mind?

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago

Boiling it down to the system that has been in place for the last 30-40 years? Yes they do.

They take the money. They take the weapons. They are told to use the weapons. They use the weapons on Palestine.

Here, maybe I won't get completely eviscerated for this one. Israel is Vader. The US is Palpatine.

Israel was never forced to turn evil, but the US has the carrot and Israel keeps reaching for it.

As a result, they have spent decades torturing and murdering innocent people. Small wonder a resistance formed.

Now flash back to Iraq. America made Osama Bin Laden a national hero. America's existence is the result of guerrilla warfare. I was taught by American education that America did it first. I know we didn't.

Anyway, America went into Iraq, helped install Saddam, rewarded Osama for being effective in installing Saddam, then Al Queda started doing things we didn't like and we got stuck in war with Iraq for decades.

The parallels between America's involvement with Iraq and America's involvement with Israel are astounding to me.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 47 points 2 years ago

What the actual fuck. Israel does many horrific stuff but this a new low.

[-] AnarchoDakosaurus@toast.ooo 68 points 2 years ago

Netanyahu said:" Those Who Attacked Israel Will Remember Israel’s Military Response For ‘Generations’ "

We are going to see some horrific war crimes in the weeks to come. And all of our countries are backing them up. Whole thing is fucked.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 24 points 2 years ago

It's sad but not surprising. Israel has a history of electing monsters.

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[-] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

They were told to leave their homes and go to the city Centre. Then the city Centre was bombed.

[-] Nobsi@feddit.de 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them

1937 - Peel commission, rejected

1947 - Partition resolution, rejected

2000 - Camp David, rejected

2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.

2008 - Olmert offer, rejected

Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new 'policy document' accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103

Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected

1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.

1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.

1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.

1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.

1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected

1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.

1949: Israel's outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.

1967: Israel's outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.

1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).

1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt).

1995: Rabin's Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.

2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.

2005: Sharon's peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.

2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.

2009 to 2021: Netanyahu's repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.

2014: Kerry's Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

Not gonna link Trump's imbecilic peace plan as an example.

Here is a list of peace offers the Palestinians offered to Israel -

None

[-] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Why would they ever accept any "offer" to have their homes and land taken away?

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[-] dumdum666@kbin.social 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Crosspost Comment from another related news article:

Don’t tell me that Hamas didn’t know how Israel would react. To keep the hate flowing is the goal of all extremists.

Edit: That Netanyahu openly admitted to support Hamas on some occasions, shows that Hamas AND Netanjahu want each other as permanent enemies: https://kbin.social/m/worldnews@lemmy.ml/t/526488/Anyone-who-wants-to-thwart-the-establishment-of-a-Palestinian

Since many of you seem to think of themselves as having viable solutions for the Israel/Palestine conflict- go ahead: Tell us how Israel should act after this Terrorist Attack.

Please refrain from bad faith arguments and stuff like „Israel should dissolve itself“ (because you and I know, that’s not going to happen)

There is no solution where Israel is allowed to continue forcing Palestinians from their homes. But hey, colonizers gotta colonize.

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