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[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 168 points 2 months ago

Why do you think some of the most advertised things are... predatory loans and gambling.

Honestly for me the worse of it is, basically on linkedin and similar, people pretending to be recruiters, opening with a fake job posting and asking for your resume, then to follow it up with "Hey you know I don't think this resume is going to get by, can I put you in contact with my resume company, they will sharpen up your resume for $300. Umm... so yeah, don't know if you guessed this, but I have no clue when my next paycheck is coming in, this isn't the time to ask me to drop a large amount of money on something that may not do anything.

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

And nowdays you just know their $300 "service" is going to be "run it through an LLM."

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[-] potatoguy@mbin.potato-guy.space 63 points 2 months ago

It's not about buying, it's about staying in your head, even if you don't remember it explicitly.

This kinda boring, menial, repetitive propaganda doesn't try to make you buy something straight away, it's to make you numb to it, to know it, to receive it without thinking, so then it tries to affect you. It tries to turn nothing into anything resembling truth, it turns advertisement and news, into an endless cycle of boring things that get hammered by the "a lie told 1000 times turns into truth" line.

It doesn't affect you when you're watching it, it affects you when you see or do anything relating to it.

When you need to buy new tires, you know what to buy, you don't buy based on technical sheets, you buy it knowing it, even not explicitly.

(A take from Adorno and Horkheimers "Dialectic of Enlightenment", the part where they talk about the media, culture, art, etc)

[-] Bahnd@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Exactly this, its the main reason people around this corner of the internet push ad-blocking software so much. Its a slow toxin that warps your subjective processing.

Everyone is vulnerable to it, those that claim otherwise are deluded, and the only way to be free of it is to cut advertisment from your life in as many places as possible.

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[-] squaresinger@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago

That's the neat thing, they don't.

Marketing looks like it is there to make you buy products, but it's a well-known fact that this doesn't work, and online ads specifically allow performance measurements, and they show that it's not worth the money.

So what are ads actually there for then?

First, remember that the thing that marketing departments are best at is marketing their own importance to company management. They are really good at convincing their companies that if they stop marketing, everything will collapse. So in this way, marketing is there to finance the marketing department, and everyone's too scared to stop marketing, because if they do they will be seen as the biggest idiots ever.

Second, marketing is there to provide a small revenue stream to the platform where you see the ads, but more importantly to punish you for not paying premium. Youtube makes you watch a shitton of ads, not because they care about whether you buy anything from the ads, but to punish you for not paying premium and to get you to do so. A premium customer brings in orders of magnitude more money than an ad-only customer.

[-] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They are really good at convincing their companies that if they stop marketing, everything will collapse.

I hate that I’m going to defend marketing here, but if they do stop marketing then things will collapse (for many businesses). Do I like marketing, personally? No. That’s why I got out of marketing and am becoming an elementary school teacher to help others rather than spit propaganda but I digress…

Marketing isn’t always about generating a sale. Many times its reach and brand recall. We’re a global and digital economy now, so reach is massively important for survival. Stopping marketing limits who is exposed to your brand and the repetition makes your company synonymous with a product.

Why do we call tissues Kleenex? Why do we call cotton swabs a Qtip? Why do we call small sticky notepads Post-Its? Why do we call searching “Googling”? Why do we gravitate toward those brands even when cheaper and more generic options exist that are perfectly on par?

Making those brands the prime thing you think of when you use a specific thing so that no one thinks of using something else even when they have money. You want people to mention your product or think about it even if they aren’t buying it.

You’re drowning out the potential of your competition. That’s marketing, and if you stop then your competitor takes over or a small business won’t grow.

[-] ssladam@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

As an engineer who hated marketing, started my own business, which subsequently failed due to my lack of understanding for the importance and proper execution of the marketing mission.... I now have a deep respect, and appreciation of a well-run marketing function.

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[-] nagaram@startrek.website 5 points 2 months ago

This video by Northridgefix always stuck with me because most of why his business grew is because he spent so much Google ads that he made enough money to then move to a strip mall by a major road all while making YouTube videos and taking mailed in work.

He has another video looking for new employees because he had too much business.

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago

If marketing majors could read, they'd be very upset.

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Marketing is more than just advertising and promoting though. Marketing is an integral part of a business. If you research what your target audience likes, that's marketing. Researching where you should sell your products, marketing. Focus group testing, marketing. What price you should sell, marketing. Even if a business doesn't have a marketing department they still engage in marketing.

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[-] melfie@lemy.lol 8 points 2 months ago

the thing that marketing departments are best at is marketing their own importance to company management

That’s quite an interesting insight.

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[-] Goretantath@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago

People keep saying that ads are to get the brand into my head, but they dont realise thats a bad thing for the company. I specificly buy brands i DONT see ads for because i believe if they arent spending money on ads but are still being sold in storesz they must be spending that money on bettering the product instead.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 months ago

Sadly, you're not the norm. Getting the brand into peoples' heads actually works in most cases, which is why they keep doing it.

[-] fubbernuckin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's insane to me how little thought people put into things in their daily lives, because you're right. So many people see a thing and they're like "Oh, I see the thing. I'll do the thing. Coke flavored mouthwash on my TV? Yeah, let's do coke flavored mouthwash." Literally just the first unfiltered, uncritical reaction they feel.

I had someone the other day tell me they didn't want to use Firefox because when they did it gave them a bunch of security issues. When I asked what they meant it turned out the security issues in question were the browser asking them if they wanted to let different websites know their location, have access to webcam, etc. "Well I just don't like that it does that"

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

I don't want to stray into XKCD territory, but it does seem like people in general tend to be less...conscientious about such things than I. However, I'm oblivious about plenty of things myself that others are more aware of, so I guess it's just how different priorities work.

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[-] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

seems strange to me that this (in the attached image) isn't the normal way people think

[-] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 months ago

If you don't have money for either product then you are not their target demographic, and thus, you being inconvenienced or delayed does not concern them in the slightest.

Their goal is to get money from the people who have money. How they affect people with no money is not a factor in their decisions, since no money will be acquired from them regardless.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

I find it wild that people are still under the impression that advertising doesn't work. I get it, you block ads, you aggressively ignore them, you feel like they never influence you. Same here. But they do influence us. A little bit here and there. Then consider that most people are way more suggestible than we are. If ads didn't work, they would've never been a thing.

You might think you cannot afford to buy most things advertised, but the numbers don't lie. They'll get you eventually. Even if it's just $3. Not having money never really stopped people from spending it anyhow.

[-] rbos@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago

It is because it works that I spend so much time trying to block them. I don't need them trying to manipulate me, gaslight me, or try to convince me I need shit I don't want.

It's incredibly toxic.

[-] SippyCup@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

It's unlikely that you're exceptional in your resistance to advertising.

It's just that 95% of all advertising fails to hit its intended target.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I am definitely in the vast minority of people who go so far to not see ads. Not many people will tinker with a raspberry pi for hours just to avoid the possibility of an ad appearing in video streaming services. Lemmy is a bubble that way. You'd rarely meet someone in real life that uses pihole for example but there's thousands on here who do.

And I think the number is higher than 95%. All it takes is a tiny percentage for it to all be worth it.

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[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

The fact that McDonald's exists is proof that advertising works.

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[-] eezeebee@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 months ago

On the other hand, you never see ads for beans and yet you can't stop thinking about them.

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[-] YetAnotherNerd@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 months ago

Because you saved that money so that you could buy their product!

[-] FUCKING_CUNO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 months ago

Because you might have money someday

[-] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Idiots live in debt by throwing money on bullshit all the time

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[-] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 months ago

They aren't worried in the literal you, in one sense.

Advertising is a temporal numbers game. Any one random single individual (or household) at any given time is insignificant. You are a speck of dust in the wind.

On the flip side, advertising is (or can be) a long game. At the moment you may be too young, too poor, too healthy, too whatever for their ads to be relevant. However, if they advertise enough and you see enough of these ads, it can make an impression (even if subliminal). And down the line when you're old enough to need dick pills and making just enough to afford them, you're now aware that dick pills exist and suddenly now that you're in the market for dick pills your reptilian brain will remember that jingle "Like a rock" and how Dicken's dick pills are the key to feeling 18 again. Suddenly you're sucking down Dicken's pills like they're candy.

[-] AskewLord@piefed.social 14 points 2 months ago

They don't care about you. They care about the people that do have the money.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Those people would pay for ad-free. Edit: according to OP's logic.

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[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 14 points 2 months ago

I mean, I'm too stingy to pay for premium but I do buy detergent.

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[-] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Ads these days are run like internet scams they are there to trick the most vulnerable.

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[-] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

A bit late to the party, but... well...

If a streaming service has an ad-free tier, the ads shown aren't really there to sell the things they advertise. Oh, sure, the buyer of the ad wants your money, but they didn't pay a bunch to show you that ad and the revenue from the ad buy just has be "slightly higher than spam" to be worthwhile.

"Ad-Supported' tiers exist to differentiate the higher cost points. Which is why the ads frequently aren't aligned with natural break points in the video. And why in some cases it's the same two or three ads shown for every artificial and clumsy break.

The ads you are seeing exist primarily as an advertisement for the ad-free tier.

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[-] Allero@lemmy.today 10 points 2 months ago

Because you still have to be inconvenienced for not paying the premium.

[-] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago

It's not just about purchasing, but also reputation, familiarity, etc.

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Especially when it's for vacation spots, booking sites, or luxury cars. Keep spending that money for no return, guys, because absolutely none of that is happening. (I want to say "not happening anytime soon," but who am I kidding? I'm already in my upper 30s and I can't fathom making that kind of money.)

[-] Bieren@lemmy.today 8 points 2 months ago

Credit card debt.

[-] morto@piefed.social 8 points 2 months ago

Ads from giant corporations aren't just about selling something to you, but to keep the brand's name in your head and influence you into having a good psychological image of it. it's also used as a form of influencing the culture of a population. They do a lot of research into how to more efficiently affect your mind, even if you don't notice it.

That's why I recommend blocking ads and/or moving away from those services (the high seas welcome you)

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[-] Kushan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

I appreciate the sentiment because I also hate ads, but just because you're not spending your disposable income on premium doesn't mean you couldn't theoretically spend it on something else.

[-] SparkyBauer44@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

This is exactly how I feel when a monthly bill goes up as result of missed payment, I missed because I'm laid off and broke. What makes them think turning up the heat will result in me suddenly having money appear?

[-] Alberat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

if anything, they should ADD ads to premium users because they have more money

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

There are plenty of idiots that get sucked into those ads. Well shit, the 2024 US election proves it too.

[-] bitteroldcoot@piefed.social 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The advertisers are doing the same math as the spam calls and emails. Basically, if one in 10,000 bite, that's all they need to stay in business. Ads, and spam both target stupid desperate easily manipulated people. The fact that you also see it, and show distain, in no way affects their business model.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 6 points 2 months ago

Do you buy anything, ever? Then you have money, and can be swayed by advertising in terms of what you spend it on.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I did this exercise a few days ago. It turns out I'm so out of the broad reach of advertisements, that most of the brands and products I buy, I know them from in-shop ads or from early and mid childhood, when I watched way too much TV. I absolutely buy several brands and products for which I've never, in my entire life, ever seen an ad on the internet or TV. There, the main selling point is how atrociously evil the parent corporation is, and where does the product itself comes from. I can't avoid them entirely, but I can choose the lesser evils.

Now I'm very anti advertisement and aggressively prune that shit from my life, more than the average person. But it makes me hopeful that a less exploitative life is possible in this cursed timeline.

[-] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

I hate ads so much that I even blocked ads back in the day on NetZero to get free internet ad free. I have been blocking since Internet 1.0.

[-] EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

Because you are the demographic poor enough to be susceptible to the scams they advertise.

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