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The mother of tattoo artist Shani Louk who was paraded semi-naked on a Hamas truck makes a public plea for more information (www.businessinsider.com)

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The mother of a woman whose body was paraded through the streets by Hamas has pleaded for help finding her daughter.

A video showing German tattoo artist Shani Louk on the back of a pickup truck circulated on social media after the Palestinian militant group Hamas attacked Israel on October 7.

Louk had been attending an outdoor "Festival for Peace" party near Kibbutz Urim when the area was targeted. First, rockets were launched, then gunmen and appeared and shot into the crowd, CNN reported. Party attendees told the outlet people immediately started to flee, passing dead bodies on the ground as they tried to escape the massacre.

The attack and resulting conflict has left hundreds of Israelis and Palestinians dead, with Israel's prime minister declaring war.

A video of a young woman with dreadlocks on the back of a pickup truck and surrounded by Hamas soldiers started circulating on social media shortly after the attack. In it, she appears stripped to her underwear, and her legs are bent at unnatural angles, while one soldier grabs her hair. People are also seen spitting on her body.

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[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 323 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In it, she appears stripped to her underwear, and her legs are bent at unnatural angles, while one soldier grabs her hair. People are also seen spitting on her body.

And some terrorist supporters here on Lemmy were trying to explain to us that they were just casually "transporting" the body of a dead woman and that they weren't doing anything disgusting with her. We all know what islamist terrorists do when they spot a young woman, to pretend that Hamas is any different from ISIS is to be completely delusional.

Palestinians will lose more and more support (mine already) as long as they keep shielding the Islamist animals of Hamas.

EDIT: also thank goodness for !world@lemmy.world, because others like !worldnews@lemmy.ml are run by terrorist supporters (see for yourself in their modlog: https://lemmy.ml/modlog/14788)

[-] TinyPizza@kbin.social 96 points 2 years ago

So question, can you be anti terrorist and anti Israel?

[-] Elohim@lemm.ee 148 points 2 years ago

Why not? Hell I’m Jewish and I think the Israeli govt is regularly in the wrong and I feel for the people of Israel that could have better lives and those the govt harms. I also think Hamas is evidently wretched and those perpetrating these abhorrent acts deserve everything coming to them.

Unfortunately, while I’m sure Hamas will suffer, the civilians of both Israel and Palestine will once again bear the true cost of this conflict.

[-] Ew0@lemmy.sdf.org 76 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Jew here too, Netanyahu is a corrupt fascist cunt.

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[-] SCB@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago

I strongly disagree with Israel's policies regarding settlements, Palestinians in general, etc.

That does not excuse Hamas or their terrorism

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[-] RaincoatsGeorge@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 years ago

I don’t support either group here. But the reason this continues to be such a contentious issue is the decades of mistakes and extreme conflict that lead to the current state of things there. The entire area has been in cyclic conflict for hundreds of years, this is merely a continuation of that with the complexities of post ww2 short sighted and racist policies enacted by the allied powers influencing the way things have played out.

Israel is a far right authoritarian state and they are brutal in how they choose to operate. Palestine is a hotbed for terrorism and is equally brutal in the guerrilla tactics they employ.

External influence from western and Islamic countries fuels the flames. It’s a disaster and a mess.

There’s genuinely no two state solution. As long as these two groups share this place they will always fight. And there’s no resolution that doesn’t see everyone else dragged into yet another proxy war.

Personally I think this will see some of the most major developments in this conflict in decades. The repercussions of this act will be large scale and relentless. But the Israelis will quickly find themselves in a quagmire if they try to occupy Palestine in any major capacity. It won’t be over quickly. Many will die.

But I suspect that’s where we are heading.

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[-] roguetrick@kbin.social 24 points 2 years ago

Sure, you can always be hated by everybody. That's generally my MO in most things. I think Hamas is a terrorist Islamic group and the Likud are ur-fascists.

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[-] TheJims@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago

Both things can be bad… you know that? Right?

[-] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

And sometimes one side is much worse than the other.

[-] TheJims@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

So which far right extremist theocracy is worse in this case?

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[-] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Colonizers versus natives, and you side with the colonizers who created this situation. Lmao.

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[-] ClarkDoom@lemmy.world 169 points 2 years ago

Hamas is evil and anyone on here supporting them are complicit in supporting evil.

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 123 points 2 years ago

Hamas is a monster fed by Israeli antagonism because feeding those trying to coexist peacefully prevents colonization. They build a monster to fight in order to get more support from people who simply want the monster to go away. All the while, they move to accomplish their real goal of getting rid of Palestinians like other evil empires have attempted to do to Jewish people for millenia. It's a fucking tragedy to see people that should know the pain of discrimination more than anyone, perpetuate the cycle of violence. Theocratic nationalism is a sin against humanity.

[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago

You'd be the guy saying Native Americans are "evil" for fighting against European colonizers.

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[-] MiltownClowns@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It must be lovely to have such a simplistic world view. I wish I was as sure about anything as you are about this notoriously complicated subject.

[-] LaChaleurDeLaNuit@lemmy.world 63 points 2 years ago

How is killing parents in front of their children, kidnaping these children, filming yourself with said children crying and showing them as trophies , crashing a festival and murdering over 200 participants a complicated subject ?

Maybe think about reconsidering your own views of if the world if you support these acts.

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[-] ClarkDoom@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago

Hamas is evil, they’re a literal terrorist organization that uses fear and violence as their primary tools and methods. The situation Hamas operates in is absolutely nuanced but saying a terrorist organization is evil and supporting a terrorist organization makes you complicit in supporting evil is not an indicator of a simplistic world view, it’s stating an objective fact. If anything you’re the one expressing a simplistic worldview by ignoring the obvious truths of the situation and its various pieces in favor of obfuscating the parts of the situation that are self evident and clear.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 123 points 2 years ago

Can someone please explain to me why both Israel and Hamas (not the Palestinian people as a whole, just Hamas) can't be condemned for the atrocities they have committed?

Because Lemmy seems to be telling me I have to pick a side and, as far as I can tell, both sides have committed atrocities. Why should I pick either side? Why can't I just say both are evil and not support either side? Must I take a side in every conflict? Because I sure as hell didn't when Iran and Iraq were warring.

[-] gh0stcassette 29 points 2 years ago

You can, Hamas is fucking terrible, you should just add the context that the only reason Hamas even exists is due to Israeli policy. Trapping millions of people in tiny, resource-poor ghettos as part of an ongoing ethnic cleansing, you've gotta expect some of them are going to get desperate enough to join a religious fundamentalist terror organization.

Also Netanyahu's government literally sent them money because a democratic, secular, progressive resistance to Israeli occupation would make it harder to justify their aggression towards the Palestinian population, and a strong Hamas makes that less likely.

Same way 9/11 is pretty objectively a consequence of US intervention in the middle east, but the people who did 9/11 are still terrorists who (imo) deserved to die, the reason it's good to mention that it was a consequence of US policy is so that we can avoid creating the circumstances that lead to terror attacks like that in the future, and to avoid causing massive amounts of suffering as a result of military interventions in foreign countries.

Hamas is one shitty side effect among many of genocidal Israeli government policy and imo serves to aid and abet that policy by giving the Israeli state an excuse to crack down harder on Palestinians.

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[-] Doxatek@mander.xyz 26 points 2 years ago

Most people can't handle nuance so for many issues are either black or white

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[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 121 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 64 points 2 years ago

you missed the Marxists from lemmygrad who yesterday kept cheering for Hamas and kept downplaying their savagery

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[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago

Marxists and the far-left are also spread all over Lemmy, not just lemmygrad, you could see more pro-terrorist comments from other instances. Their pattern is usually the same: rebrand it as "resistance", downplay the fact that they targeted mainly civilians, and rewrite the facts by claiming for example that the woman was just being transported for burial.

[-] glockenspiel@programming.dev 42 points 2 years ago

Exactly. I’m a far-leftist, and I’m as disgusted with leftist hot takes the same way I was when poor old defenseless Russia invaded Ukraine and started murdering their children.

I’ve blocked and purged so many leftist creators in 24 hours it is unreal. Spreading legit anti-Semitic (really anti-Jew) conspiracy theories (“curious how nobody stopped it” and the like). Reframing these terrorists as freedom fighters like you said. Blaming this on the U.S. somehow (because we made Iran do this via Hamas as proxy; but Iran has clean hands don’t worry they are just another oppressed peoples).

Far too many leftists, like their right wing nut counterparts, are contrarians at heart. This is what happens when political ideology becomes a personality trait; it becomes akin to a religion.

So thoroughly disgusted by it all. Bad enough what’s happening over there in Israel and Palestine right now; bad enough with all the innocent lives being lost; but then to justify industrial grade rape and murder of men, women, and children? And cheer Palestinians on as they record, edit, and upload their barbarity?

I’d like to believe that a lot of it are disinformation ops, but the sad reality is probably that a fair number of people have nothing left to live for because their lives are shit so the world burning down for others isn’t such a big deal for them.

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[-] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 28 points 2 years ago

Yes but lemmygrad and hexbear are hardly representative of the fediverse.

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[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I believe your instance has hexbear blocked. They were all over the top of /All yesterday celebrating these attacks and being generally immature. I even saw one post wishing Bernie Sanders was dead after he released a statement condemning the attacks.

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[-] notapantsday@feddit.de 33 points 2 years ago

There are no good guys in this story.

[-] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 104 points 2 years ago

When you attack a festival for peace, guess what? You're the bad guys.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 73 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Festival for peace

Where is this coming from? This article mentions that CNN reported it but CNN just says "an all-night dance party, celebrating the Jewish holiday of Sukkot"

The "it was a peace festival" seems to just be (not very good) propaganda to help drum up support for further Palestinian genocide.

Edit: it seems that this was something CNN initially reported but retracted later. Damage already done, other articles are quoting CNN's previous statement that it was a "festival for peace"

[-] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago

Oh, well if it was a Jewish dance party then they deserved to die.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 37 points 2 years ago

Certainly not what I said, it's just important to fight misinformation.

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