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Whenever I glance at darknet forums, people there always use Telegram for instant messaging. This seems like a strange choice for their use case, considering that Telegram is neither secure nor private[1], being centralized with Russia-controlled servers[2], phone number registration, no encryption for personal chats by default in mobile client and no encryption at all in desktop client[3], etc.

So why do they use Telegram instead of actually secure and private alternatives, like Delta Chat, XMPP+OMEMO, etc.?

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Telegram is indeed neither private nor secure (that is if you don't use secret chats), but the stupidity of people believing the narrative of

Russia-controlled servers

will never cease to fascinate me.

You know which group of people know for certain that this is not true?

Russians.

How can they be so sure?

Because of their government's constant attempts/threats to block it / slow it down. All in an effort to make people move to an actual messaging app controlled by them (MAX messenger).

Yes, absolutely, Russian government is trying to stop people from using an app they control, this totally makes sense.
And if it doesn't, you can always come up with some totally reasonable and totally not a conspiracy theory of them just pretending to trying to block it so that you think it is secure. And people might even believe it. Except for Russians, for whom Telegram voice calls are broken (blocked) again, and MAX is advertised as an alternative.

For fuck's sake...

[-] Bookmeat@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

It's a social media platform, not a secure messaging platform.

[-] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 8 points 1 month ago

it's user friendly, used by many normies, better than some alternatives (whatsapp, etc), advertised as private, etc. at least until recently they also mostly ignored governments' request for data, so it kinda was private for criminals as well.

[-] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago

Telegram is less policed than the American apps with backdoors. It's popular with many people making it easy to connect. (It has a lot of good features). The options you listed all have adoptjon challenges for non-technical people.

[-] ChaosMonkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

I guess that you only see the tip of the iceberg in these "darknet forums". They probably favor visibility for the end-user instead of security, due to their target audience. XMPP and GPG is pretty popular on DNMs.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 4 weeks ago

Over a billion users, and very popular in old eastern bloc countries already.

Yes central control, and controlled by people who don't have the most robust encryption or opsec (CEO house arrest in France for example)... But over time they have demonstrated they don't care too much about most low level crimes.

So it's in the sweet spot of good enough and convenient but not great and not perfect

[-] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago

I often have the same questions about bitcoin

[-] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Because it is secure, that is why.

[-] toastus@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago

It really, like really really, isn't.

[-] cideyav138@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Encryption not open source or auditable, encryption not enabled by default, entire platform captured by Russian oligarchs years ago. It is as secure as people sending all of their private messages to me to pass along to their contacts, and me saying "trust me bro, I won't look".

[-] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

criminals disagree. If Signal were so secure, they would be using Signal instead.

[-] cideyav138@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

You can fuck right off back to the FSB with that misinformation.

https://proton.me/blog/is-signal-safe

[-] herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 weeks ago

Is that the same FSB that is trying to ban Telegram right now?

[-] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Maybe you don't know they use it because it's secure?

Everyone know criminals use telegram because it isn't secure.

this post was submitted on 14 Feb 2026
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