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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 48 points 2 years ago

posted to Socialist RA

Commenters: "but why are you posting about firearms though???"

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

Libs gonna lib

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Unironically disarm all cops and give the guns to trans people.

[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago

Can us non-trans autistic folks get some guns? Like youre already giving guns to half the autistoc community.

[-] Kase@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

of course! don't worry, there are plenty of these things to go around.

[-] JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I take this as a metaphorical statement, not literally advocating gun violence.

I agree wholeheartedly that, speaking in metaphorical terms, it's useless placing flowers in the rifles that are ready to fire again. There comes a point where these absolute bigoted wankstains need to be called out, and have a fire started under the pedestals upon which they stand so damn proudly.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 17 points 2 years ago

Given the context of what community this is on, I kinda think it speaks to the right to self defense and the right to exist in a social climate where rabid, violent, right wing extremists want to eliminate trans people in every way possible.

And, just to throw this out there, it is not morally wrong to defend yourself against lethal threat or threat of significant bodily harm. It is also legal in every state in the US (check state and local laws though, as there are nuances).

[-] ackzsel@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

Yes, worship violence and fire arms some more. That's going to make the world a better place for sure!

[-] seahorse@midwest.social 48 points 2 years ago

Spoken like someone who doesn't have their mere existence threatened by armed fascists on a daily basis.

[-] Auzy@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

Where do you live, I'm guessing US?

When you're carrying a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Honestly, no idea why they haven't been controlled like here in Australia

[-] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago

'you get further with a nice word and a gun than you do with a nice word alone'

If a fascist marches, do you ask them to please don't do that? Do you march against them?

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[-] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

I used to be a pacifist. I was robbed at gunpoint in my home in the middle of the night, And I told them to take anything they wanted, but they stabbed my girlfriend anyway.

I was no longer a pacifist. She was cooperating, she was quiet, none of us were armed, but one of those wannabe thuglets still put a knife into her arm.

I was unable to continue rationalizing pacifism if it meant the people around me got hurt. I took that kids eye out with my bare hand and tore the door off my stove ragdolling his friend.

Violence doesn't solve many problems, but it's one of the only things that can solve violence. I don't regret using violence to protect the people I care about.

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[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 18 points 2 years ago

Must be nice to never worry about defending yourself.

Self defense is an inherent right of every living thing.

[-] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago

Being willing to defend yourself isn't worship of violence or weapons.

[-] FfaerieOxide@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Do you suggest people threatened with genocide defend themselves using ...bitchslaps?

[-] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

If I was willing to bitchslap a violent bigot would that be worshipping violence and hands? I don't have to like the idea of having to defend myself or others to be willing to do it.

[-] cacheson@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

Yes, worship violence and fire arms some more. That's going to make the world a better place for sure!

Unironically yes.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The left: ban all guns!

Also the left: defend yourself with guns!

Make up your mind.

Edit: as someone who arrived here from Everything who is not familiar with your community, I didn't know that you don't consider yourself liberals. The trans community is typically pretty liberal in my experience, so that association further influenced my response. Anyways, carry on, and don't mind me.

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Don't make me tap the "liberals aren't leftists and both US parties are liberal" sign

[-] seahorse@midwest.social 17 points 2 years ago

Libs want to ban guns, not leftists.

[-] mw@mathstodon.xyz 3 points 2 years ago

@seahorse @Anticorp Hard to DisArm the Proletariat if they're Armed with e.g. Natural Lightning.

[-] slick@kolektiva.social 8 points 2 years ago

@Anticorp
@seahorse

"...we could remain armed and refuse to obey the new government, and we would be able, here and there, to carry out attempts at expropriation and organization of society along anarchist and communist lines. We could prevent the revolution from being halted at step one, and the people’s energies, roused by the insurrection, from being lulled back to sleep." - The Anarchist's Task, Errico Malatesta

“Let us continue [Bakunin’s] work, never forgetting that two things are necessary to be successful in a revolution, two things, as one of my comrades said in the trial at Lyon: an idea in the head, and a bullet in the rifle! The force of action guided by the force of Anarchist thought.” - Direct Struggle Against Capitalism, Pëtr Kropotkin

"Free people must be free to arm and defend themselves with the weapons they choose. While making all of society less violent, by changing the social conditions which breed various sorts of predation and abolishing political coercion, is the best way to stop aggressive acts, until then people should be able to have access to the means to defend themselves, including firearms." - An Anarchist Case Against Gun Control, Joe Peacott

'Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." - Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League, Karl Marx

"By direct action the Anarcho-Syndicalists mean every method of immediate warfare by the workers against their economic and political oppressors. Among these the outstanding are: the strike, in all its gradations from the simple wage-struggle to the general strike; the boycott; sabotage in its countless forms; anti-militarist propaganda; and in particularly critical cases, such, for example, as that in Spain today, armed resistance of the people for the protection of life and liberty." - Anarcho-Syndicalism: Theory and Practice, Rudolph Rocker

"Organised in grupos de afinidad, the anarchist urban guerrillas favoured clandestine forms of organisation, placing great store on the values of individual or small-group violence. The grupistas fulfilled a range of tasks, forming ‘defence squads’, which provided bodyguards for prominent activists, and organising armed collections for the unions in workplaces and on the streets..." - Anarchism and the City, Chris Ealham

“Anarchy is incessant, permanent revolt against all constituted order, war on the State and all its authorities, waged in every way and under every possible form: with the word and with every other outward sign, with acts of defiance and hostility, and above all with arms.” - Our Revolution, Carlo Cafiero

also see: "Ready for Revolution: The CNT Defense Committees in Barcelona 1933-38" which highlights FAI affinity groups doing weapons training. https://www.akpress.org/ready-for-revolution.html

and Socialist Rifle Association

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