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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7281868

You DON'T hate ameriKKKa or iSSrael ENOUGH.

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[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 month ago

One of the several issues western shitlibs tend to suffer from is that they expect a perfect Netflix style resistance™. They don't understand that resistance is an imperfect process done by flawed individuals who sometimes do bad. Yet through it all even a deeply flawed resistance is better than a genocidal occupation.

So yes unironically I do support Hamas and I support every resistance group to imperialism regardless of how flawed they are because morality means nothing to the dead.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

One of the several issues western shitlibs tend to suffer from is that they expect a perfect Netflix style resistance™. They don’t understand that resistance is an imperfect process done by flawed individuals who sometimes do bad. Yet through it all even a deeply flawed resistance is better than a genocidal occupation.

THANK YOU, you see it all over this very thread. It's unbelievable (well, sadly believable, but it shouldn't be) at this point in time that people who think of themselves as "leftists" would still behave this way.

So yes unironically I do support Hamas and I support every resistance group to imperialism regardless of how flawed they are because morality means nothing to the dead.

It's literally just this simple and IMO all the pearl clutching people do to avoid saying this comes from a place of western chauvinism.

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 month ago

It's literally just this simple and IMO all the pearl clutching people do to avoid saying this comes from a place of western chauvinism.

This especially pisses me off, this western centric idea that specifically the western definition of how things should be done (which the west literally never follows). The western shitlib will say "terrorism is always bad" yet will support terrorism by the US. They will say "dictatorship are evil" yet will support the dictatorship of capital.

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think this in particular does fit the comm, since it plays with the fucking over used braindead "Do you condemn Khamas?!!1!1!!1!"

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago

07 Also they are the main force in the united front of the Resistance against the occupation, which includes Palestinian communists (such as the PFLP whose logo is in the meme as well).

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I dislike the "but they are religious extremists" argument.

How the fuck is a country supposed to progress if they are being actively colonized and exploited?

Also still doesn't justify killing civilians on the other side of the planet.

Hamas ≠ Palestine but they are doing more to stop Palestinian deaths than most organizations.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thank you, it baffles me how many people who think of themselves as "leftists" fail to understand these things.

[-] statelesz@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 month ago

I don't see what's so funny about a radical Islamist terrorist organization?

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago

If that's your impression of what Hamas is, you are either severely misinformed or you harbor racial/religious bias. I'm assuming it's the former, so I will let you know that that is not an accurate description of Hamas. If you are interested in finding out more about them, you should read their updated charter from 2017.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 month ago

They pursue a deliberate strategy of killing and kidnapping civilians. They brutalize and repress any autonomous political movements within Gaza. Violent repression of queer or otherwise nonconforming Gazans is commonplace. And their disastrous political and military strategy was a large contributor to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Gazans over the past several years.

I usually try not to criticize them because such criticisms are being used to justify genocide but I don't know how else to respond to a ridiculous post like this.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Have you ever heard the term "critical support"? Resistance doesn't need to be perfect to be valid. Read "Perfect Victims" by Mohammed El-Kurd.

They pursue a deliberate strategy of killing and kidnapping civilians.

They "kidnap" civilians (among also many military members) in an attempt to do prisoner exchanges in response to a much more large-scale strategy of the same employed by "Israel". Unlike "Israel" they are working with few resources and very little intelligence data, so it's not surprising their actions aren't always surgically precise (whereas "Israel", of course, constantly target civilians deliberately).

And their disastrous political and military strategy was a large contributor to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Gazans over the past several years.

Literally victim blaming, lol. You're not only assuming that they could have predicted the exact course of events (including the scale of their success in Al-Aqsa flood and the scale of the "Israeli" response), but softly absolving the actual perpetrators of much of the blame. There is one and only one party responsible for this and for all other violence within Palestine since 1948. That's what colonialism is.

I usually try not to criticize them because such criticisms are being used to justify genocide

Yeah, they are.

[-] statelesz@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 month ago

Resistance doesn’t need to be perfect to be valid.

Bro, they are misogynistic, homophobic, antisemitic, radical Islamist, fundamentalist terrorists. They are the exact opposite of every value leftist stand for.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Bro, they are misogynistic, homophobic, antisemitic, radical Islamist, fundamentalist terrorists. They are the exact opposite of every value leftist stand for.

made-it-the-fuck-up "My source is that I made it the fuck up."

You also don't seem to understand the concepts of colonialism and resistance to colonialism. Opposing colonialism is a value every leftist should stand for.

[-] Pwalabwa@quokk.au 6 points 1 month ago

Can't say I do. But until israel has become wasrael, they'll have my support.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

But until israel has become wasrael, they’ll have my support.

Well... it sounds like you do commend Hamas for their resistance to the genocidal colonial occupation (complimentary, I mean this as a good thing, of course).

[-] Pwalabwa@quokk.au 14 points 1 month ago

It might be my ND brain taking "commend" too literally, but I'd rather frame my support as acknowledging Hamas as a proper resistance movement, and doing my best to contextualize their actions when talking about them. All the shit flinging for whatever ideological divergence is better left for later.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I see where you're coming from. I personally understand "commend" in this case to mean "acknowledge their resistance and give them credit for it" (which I see you do), but I understand what you're saying, especially when sometimes people will see you agree with "commend" and then gladly use whatever definition they like and put it in your mouth.

[-] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago

An open dialogue discussing the nuances of each other's interpretations to come to a common ground? On my political memes sub?

What heresy is this?

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

Don't worry, there's more of what you would expect further down the thread. yea

[-] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago

Yea, I see that thread too.

[-] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago
[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago
[-] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I also don't commend Israeli government.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Wow, you oppose both sides, the perpetrators and those who resist them. Would you like a medal to take back to your mind palace, where unlike in reality that opinion might actually mean anything?

[-] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

See. The point of this post is to create a false dichotomy. I hope you fucking wise up. I support the Palestinian people and most of all their poor children.

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

See. The point of this post is to create a false dichotomy. I hope you fucking wise up. I support the Palestinian people and most of all their poor children.

Enjoy the mind palace while the rest of us exist in reality, where Hamas are in fact the main resistance group and are in a united front with every other relevant resistance group.

[-] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Sounds good I will, enjoy supporting people for no real reason, who have also killed people using religion and hate to justify their actions

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sounds good I will, enjoy supporting people for no real reason

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The "smuglord" meme drawing of a smug person. The face is replaced with a smug Hitler face and the person is holding a removed mask that has an identical smug Hitler face on it.

Opposing colonialism = "no real reason" lmao.

who have also killed people using religion and hate to justify their actions

made-it-the-fuck-up "My source is that I made it the fuck up."

[-] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

You're super morally superior memelord

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

Thanks, I'm glad you recognize the moral superiority of opposing colonialism.

[-] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

To be specific the only thing this post is about is you commending Hamas

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, I commend Hamas for opposing colonialism.

commend /kə-mĕnd′/ transitive verb

  1. To express approval of; praise: synonym: praise.

I praise Hamas for opposing colonialism.

[-] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah that's not what you said in the post, but okay. You are praising Hamas for all kinds of things in the comments here. If Hamas was in power though I imagine they as an organization to do the same exact thing to Israelis which is why I'm not commending them in general. If the post had said "do you oppose colonialism?" I of course would have said yes. You're lying to yourself buddy. Hamas is not a leftist organization by any means

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You are praising Hamas for all kinds of things in the comments here.

[Citation Needed]

If Hamas was in power though I imagine they as an organization to do the same exact thing to Israelis

Projecting like a movie theater + "my source is that I made it the fuck up".

If the post had said “do you oppose colonialism?” I of course would have said yes.

You literally said you do not support Hamas or "Israel", by definition you do not oppose colonialism.

You’re lying to yourself buddy. Hamas is not a leftist organization by any means

I think the part where I claimed Hamas were socialists also happened in your mind palace, because it definitely didn't happen in reality.

Would you have not supported (for example) the UK during WW2 because they weren't "leftists"? What's the difference between these two situations? us-foreign-policy

[-] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ok, ok I get it. You're an irritating ass that spends way too much time on the internet. No reason to keep repeating yourself. This is LeftyMemes

[-] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You’re an irritating ass that spends way too much time on the internet.

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This is LeftyMemes

https://lemmy.ml/post/41421935/23208996

I think this in paeticular does fit the comm, since it plays with the fucking over used braindead “Do you condemn Khamas?!!1!1!!1!”

07 Also they are the main force in the united front of the Resistance against the occupation, which includes Palestinian communists (such as the PFLP whose logo is in the meme as well).

  • Me, further explaining my reasoning.

Furthermore, it should not be surprising to you that leftists would be interested in opposition to colonialism in general. Groups in the imperial periphery don't have to be "leftist" to do good work opposing colonialism which leftists should acknowledge and support.

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

And blocked OP plus this whole community. 

[-] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So nice for the trash to take itself out. Go ahead and do me too, bootlicker.

[-] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago

Nice, thank you for doing it yourself!

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